---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 02:51 AM ----------
---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 02:51 AM ----------
--- Want any of my Constitutional rights?, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
I come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal.
Why does she have to pay to go to a retirement home? My grandmother has to live almost alone at 72 after my grandfather died and she only has a ~40 euro pension.
It just seems weird that people complain so much about money when for others it seems so much. I guess different cultures are different.
Screw that, I'll rob a bank when I'm 80. Prisons are more luxurious than nursing homes, ironically.
To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
I’m not that arrogant.
The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.
OP what you describe are social heritage. Take my grandmother, lives inn a huge house (Well, it could room 5 people np, trough its abit out of shape, alot of work needs to be done) for many years, now looking to sell it to move into something smaller and more new.
She's got plenty of resources, her health is not to good but it she's still able to walk abit, drive etc.
And then take my mothers mother (word for that?), she's proboaly on happy pills, and lives inn some small appartment with barely anything going for her.
Its all about the bejamin. When my grandmother got sick she could afford hired private sector help, while my grandmother has lousy state-gourvment help for cleaning etc.
Soon christmas and you can bet my grandmother again buys us all presents, and prolly some of the kids gets big once to.
I do not hate wow. I'm just (was) very passionated about it. There is a difference. Everyone rants about thing's they think changed badly.
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Note to self: Avoid topic's you keep getting infracted on. You know why...!
....''But for now this is a continent with living treasures, abundant, but not infinite, to be shared by humans and wild nature''... - Wild Europe, A New Millenium.
I live in Norway, and i see the situation as fairly serious. Breaking news: it wont get any better. Soon we will have more old people than young, and even less money prioritized to elders. Ill probly kill myself or move somewhere else for when i grow old.
I think it depends a lot on the person too.
Of course you may be unlucky and get some evil illness. But if you don't (and the chances are not big if you live a healthy lifestyle), I believe life as an old person must not be as bad as people make it out to be. When I get old, I'll have endless time to do things I enjoy - play some instruments, walk around in nature, etc.
I don't know the situation in Norway, but in the Czech republic, most old people are very bitter and negative, always bitching about something and not making any effort to make their life better. There's so much fun and relaxing things you can do that are pretty much free...
But to answer your question, I think this was and is one of the worst times to be elder because of the huge gap they experience with the real world right now. Most elder only read books, watch TV or maybe play some slow pace game if it's a special occasion. But for the rest nothing, there isn't really nothing to do for them either. I think (and hope) we have a bit better experience because we have grown up with the internet and so much stuff to do that we won't be so bored. I atleast don't want to have pain every day without anything to do. And i hope my grandpa don't have pain anymore either
Thankfully my father had the good sense of checking out in his 60's from an infarction, but my mother has Alzheimers, and she's in a home. Now, the home isn't that bad; there's decent staff, I guess, and a lot of other seniles to play around with. Still, for the past several years now, and whatever she has remaining, her life is waking up to a world she doesn't recognize, being pushed around by people she doesn't recognize, and having to be confused why she's not in her childhood home. Haven't seen her in years, and am not planning on seeing her ever again. What would be the point?
That's just to give you short preface so you know I know what I'm talking about.
I think we should send our senile elders out on ice floes, or into the wilderness to fend for themselves or rather be eaten by wolves. Perhaps some kind of a fight to the death -style of a gladiator tournament. You may be laughing or horrified, but you've got no fucking clue until it's your own parent who looks you in the eyes and doesn't know who the hell you are.
I personally will make sure my time comes long before I lose who I am. I'm confident it will, on it's own, in the form of some disease, infarction or stroke, but if it doesn't, I can always catch the next train.
Also, the title of this thread shouldn't be "Life as an elder is tragic", but rather "Life with an elder as a loved one is tragic." It's not just the elders who suffer, and often they suffer less than those of us who have to watch them slowly rot away for decades.
Last edited by Sydänyö; 2012-12-20 at 08:49 PM.
've is short for have. C/Sh/Would've or c/sh/would have. Not c/sh/would of.