Fel Grom Hellscream!
If World of Warcraft has taught me anything, it's that teaching a crowd something is far harder than teaching individuals.
But anyway take into account that Grom was "cured" at the fight with Manoroth. If he was Fel, i dont think Manoroth would want to bother him.
And guys you also gota consider Manoroth was a Burning Legion General, equal in rank with Kil'jaedan and Archimonde. Kil'jaedan which created the Lich King.
Last edited by keksplace; 2012-12-20 at 11:08 AM.
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Grom was quite weak at the end of his life afaik
I think a fel Grom Hellscream would win. Despite the fact that I dislike the character a lot, I can't argue here.
In a 1vs1 fight Grom would win. In army versus army, the balance might tip in the Lich King's favor as he can raise the orcs that die. But 1vs1 it's Grom.
Let's put it this way. During the WC3 night elf campaign, Arthas fights Illidan. At that point they're evenly matched. Later on, Arthas does get some powers, but these powers relate to rasing the dead, so in a battle he'd still be as good as Arthas was with a sword plus some death knight tricks. He wouldn't have angry spirits of valkiries or lots of bosses before him, it would be just the Lich King in Arthas's body. On the other hand, Grom was already a battle hardened warrior, and he also got fel powers now. Alas, besides more strengh and stuff, we don't know exactly what these fel powers were, but he did manage to kill a demi-god. And yes, he and his orcs were outnumbered. I love the night elves, but that's the truth.
However, that said, Garrosh still isn't Grom. And Garrosh would still get his ass kicked by many.
How is this even a contest? Easily the Lich King. Even Arthas before he became the Lich King would be stronger.
And Grom did defeat Mannoroth by sacrificing himself, it doesn't look that much of a victory for who's the ''strongest'' if he ends up dead anyway
Imo Lich King simply has way more in his arsenal for Grom to handle on his own.
It does not work that way. It was Kil'jaeden who created Lich King, but in WC3 he told Illidan to destroy Lich King as he grew too powerful to be controlled... and that was BEFORE merge with Arthas.Hierarchy: Kil'jaeden > Mannoroth > Ner'zhul (Lich King)
Grom > Mannoroth > Lich King > Arthas
You say Grom killed Cenarius, but Lich King was also a god... even if there is no specific information in lore about it. The god of undead:
1) Lich King does not age - is immortal
2) he is worshipped ( by eg. Cult of Damned )
3) he has absolute power of one specific area ( undeath, death ) - in one quest in Icecrown you were to save crusader from lich king's plague, but Alextrasza's power nor Remulos ( son of Cenarius ) power could remove it. That's because it lied in Lich King's area - area of specific god - and no external power could influence it. The Naaru ultimately managed to save the crusader, but their power might be considered as being "opposite" to the Lich King - one neutralizes another.
Also, notice that you actually NEVER witnessed lich king's true power. Yes, he was defeated in Light's Hope, but there he was like Ragnaros fighting in water plane. On top of Icecrown Citadel, he freezed world most powerful paladin wielding most holy sword with one move of hand, and annihilated "most powerful fighting force this world has known" with one attack. Fordring actually never defeated lich king, but destroyed his weapon ( what he did with sword that could "turn undead to ash with slight touch" ). Lich King's own power trapped him inside the vortex and that's why players could defeat him.
So yes, duel between DW and LK would be much more interesting that LK vs Grom.
Why would you dislike such an awesome character i dont know... a true Hero of the Horde.
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You cant kill him, his life drops but you cant kill him (he regens faster than your damage). No matter how many soldiers you have at him.
Last edited by keksplace; 2012-12-20 at 04:01 PM.
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Not even close, Lich King by 10000000000000000000000001 miles
Lich King by a country mile. Yeah Grom is a badass any one of my all time favourite warriors but there's no contest. Mannaroth is still just a puppet to KJ and Arch whereas the demon lords of the legion couldn't control the Lich King and founded his own army of killing machines. Frostmourne was KJ's greatest creation as well and I'm afraid Grom is fucked in this one.