[Patch 5.2] - Thunder King Confirmed? (More so...)

**Wowalixi** · 2012-12-21, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Melodi

While you don't exactly kite, Heroic Putricide in ICC had a similar concept where you needed to pass off a debuff that does increasing damage over time. While not every single mechanic is exactly the same, there are reused elements like the one I just described that's added on top of something else.

As for having another troll based content update, I'm not really a fan of it. I just wish the Zandalari would die off already. But the real judge of how this raid is going to be is in the boss encounters so I'll wait until I see those.

Except that's not what Pheromones is for. You use it to kite a big-ass bug around that can't be tanked by anyone else, plus he is constantly swiping in front of him so you have to keep his front away from the raid while being far away to not get nearly one-shot. Totally the same fight as Putricide.

If you reach and stretch you can connect any fight mechanic.

**loki504** · 2012-12-21, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by fangless

8 years later, they're pretty hard pressed to create mechanics that haven't been used before. That said, there are plenty new encounters this expansion that could possibly share a previous mechanic, but yet are still complex in their own way.

yep from time to time blizzard comes with someting difrent.
but its good they don't overdo a new thing.

**Ares66** · 2012-12-21, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Destil

/enter10charsrighthere

How is that stating as fact? I was asking a series of questions about remembering points over the course of WoW's history. Those who answer Yes to any (or all) are counted in "we", right?

Get down from your high horse sir!

**SamR** · 2012-12-21, 06:19 PM

WoW needs more Goblin raids.

**SmokeBlader** · 2012-12-21, 07:46 PM

Oooh Mogu, pretty boring race. I'd rather have more Alliance vs Horde quests.

**Sam the Wiser** · 2012-12-21, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Helryx

No one expects the Zandalari inquisition!

Oh you just made my day.

**Golden Yak** · 2012-12-21, 08:00 PM

Very excited for the big new raid. But I'm also curious as to whether or not they'll include any new 5-mans in this or any other patch. Not saying I want something like in Cataclysm, where the new dungeons gave you loot to outshine previous raid tiers - I know Blizzard wants players to consider previous tiers viable content in this expansion.

Just want me some more dungeons. Done all the others already.

**Anjerith** · 2012-12-21, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wowalixi

Except that's not what Pheromones is for. You use it to kite a big-ass bug around that can't be tanked by anyone else, plus he is constantly swiping in front of him so you have to keep his front away from the raid while being far away to not get nearly one-shot. Totally the same fight as Putricide.

If you reach and stretch you can connect any fight mechanic.

Professor Putricide had no cleave. While you can stretch to connect any fight mechanic, pulling one out of your butt is going a little far afield.

**Destil** · 2012-12-21, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ares66

How is that stating as fact? I was asking a series of questions about remembering points over the course of WoW's history. Those who answer Yes to any (or all) are counted in "we", right?

Get down from your high horse sir!

I am actually riding a Mule. It is a very low horse >:

I guess I took what you said out of context then. My apologies sir :x.

**Keoren** · 2012-12-21, 08:37 PM

I think many people saw this coming but that doesn't change the fact that I'm looking forward to it. Overall I consider tier 14 one of the best tiers that I've raided starting from tier 4 and I have reasonably high hopes for tier 15 as well.

**Tziva** · 2012-12-21, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Wowalixi

Why wouldn't MoP have 4 tiers? With the exception of Cataclysm, every expac and even Vanilla had 4 tiers of raid content.

That's not entirely true. Technically speaking, both BC and Classic had three tiers. AQ40 wasn't it's own tier, it was sorta a half-tier. It's more of a sister-raid to BWL or Naxx. Likewise for Sunwell, which was technically part of the same tier as BT/Hyjal, as it dropped Tier 6 set pieces, despite the increased difficulty and later release date.

Just like I wouldn't consider Terrace a different tier than MV (or ICC and Halion) even though they weren't released at the same time and they have different item levels.

**ElyPop** · 2012-12-21, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Golden Yak

Very excited for the big new raid. But I'm also curious as to whether or not they'll include any new 5-mans in this or any other patch. Not saying I want something like in Cataclysm, where the new dungeons gave you loot to outshine previous raid tiers - I know Blizzard wants players to consider previous tiers viable content in this expansion.

Just want me some more dungeons. Done all the others already.

Something like the loot given by 4.1 ZA/ZG would be fitting if instances were introduced. Since, the first raid tier gave 359's, and 353's dropped in those two instances.

**Jaese** · 2012-12-21, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Elyaan

Something like the loot given by 4.1 ZA/ZG would be fitting if instances were introduced. Since, the first raid tier gave 359's, and 353's dropped in those two instances.

They don't want people to skip over RF for gearing. New dungeons will probably give blues (maybe a guaranteed purple off the end boss) of a slightly less ilevel than current RF, but higher ilevel than current heroics.

And I suspect they will probably bump up the success chance for loot in the previous RF tier, or remove the boss locks.

**Golden Yak** · 2012-12-21, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tziva

That's not entirely true. Technically speaking, both BC and Classic had three tiers. AQ40 wasn't it's own tier, it was sorta a half-tier. It's more of a sister-raid to BWL or Naxx. Likewise for Sunwell, which was technically part of the same tier as BT/Hyjal, as it dropped Tier 6 set pieces, despite the increased difficulty and later release date.

Just like I wouldn't consider Terrace a different tier than MV (or ICC and Halion) even though they weren't released at the same time and they have different item levels.

I actually kind liked the staggered tier of MoP, with Vaults sort've been independent of the others, and Heart of Fear leading into Terrace. It seems like the Thunder King raid is a single stand-alone affair, but I wouldn't mind seeing more raids leading into other raids, in terms of storyline.

**SamR** · 2012-12-21, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jaese

They don't want people to skip over RF for gearing. New dungeons will probably give blues (maybe a guaranteed purple off the end boss) of a slightly less ilevel than current RF, but higher ilevel than current heroics.

And I suspect they will probably bump up the success chance for loot in the previous RF tier, or remove the boss locks.

Maybe that's what they want, but it's not going to work. Even today if I try to queue LFR at around 1am West Coast time, there's like an hour queue or longer for DPS. Lots of groups sit around for 10, 20, 30+ minutes waiting for a healer.

I imagine the queues will only be worse for outdated LFR.

You can't make your main source of "catch-up" gear something that can only be done during prime time.

**Tziva** · 2012-12-21, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Golden Yak

I actually kind liked the staggered tier of MoP, with Vaults sort've been independent of the others, and Heart of Fear leading into Terrace. It seems like the Thunder King raid is a single stand-alone affair, but I wouldn't mind seeing more raids leading into other raids, in terms of storyline.

Oh, me too. I like it a lot, especially if a tier is going to be several smaller instances.

But I also like really long, epic raids, too, so I'm okay with a unified release for that.

Mostly I was just commenting that I don't think it's accurate to count AQ40 or Sunwell as their own tier anymore than it would be to count Hallion or ZA or Terrace or any of the other staggered raid releases.

**jd812** · 2012-12-21, 11:22 PM

don't forget that bliz also said they are adding more world bosses

**lockedout** · 2012-12-21, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Asotcha

Man that new place looks amazing!! and joycemiester is right it Does kind of feel like ulduar

between this and that new book about voljin in April its looking like a fun spring in Warcraft

A picture of the front gate leads you to believe that "the place looks amazing" even though you haven't seen it yet.
And
It "Feels" like ulduar somehow from looking at a screenshot of the front gate.

**Tziva** · 2012-12-22, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Moshic

I wish those trolls would die off already. I hate that they brought them back yet again.

But but but trolls are awesome

**Pebrocks The Warlock** · 2012-12-22, 01:16 AM

Well the raid will be having 13 bosses!
http://ptr.wowhead.com/search?q=date...h#achievements
Count the number of heroic boss achievements and different names.
Also here:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/news=209326/5...ges-and-more#.

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