Patch 5.2 Warlock discussion

[Fiddi2biT]

Only changes I think demo needs is decimation sf cost to be fury neutral and chaos wave to have the shadow flame dot to make it reasonable to useful in pve. But that's just me.

---------- Post added 2013-02-19 at 10:19 PM ----------

Oh and meta cd reduced/on GCD.

[Medieve]

The only real thing slowing aff down at this point is the insane amount of native crit on gear, but even that isn't slowing aff down when looking at trinket procs and orange meta gem coupled with pandemic. The only real way to combat that is to update DoT strength dynamically, but that's not going to happen. The warlock uproar would be insane, and would take everything interesting away from the spec.

[Teye]

Oh and meta cd reduced/on GCD.

If Meta was put on the GCD, I'd never play the spec again. That would be so insanely bulky.

[Fiddi2biT]

That was regarding the 8s cd when entering meta not activating the ability :-) with trinkets going the way of PPM it would be a nice qol change and opens the spec a bit more to stance dancing on procs. Something I'm quite enjoying.

[Zumzumzum]

Warlock
- Hand of Gul'dan, Shadowflame, Shadow Bolt, Touch of Chaos and Wild Imp Firebolt +15%.
- Soul Fire damage +22%.
- Conflagrate and Immolate damage +20%.
- Incinerate damage +10%.

wow
Nice buffs ?

Hearing lots of concerns about Power Shot in PvP, so we may need a PvP-specific tweak there.

Nah, PvP specific tweaks aren't possible... are they ? What about Chaos Bolt then ! -_-

[Marximos]

wow
Nice buffs ?

I had a wide.. WIDE smile when I read that blue.

here is hoping it sticks!

[Potentio]

Great to see Demo and Destro getting some love. This should bring them to an equal footing with Affliction or close enough?
Also it seems that Affliction is not getting any nerfs after all.

[Xorn]

There is justice for Warlocks!

[Luxeley]

I dont understand Fr. Blizzard's perspective on Warlocks, not in the slightest. At the release of 5.0 Warlocks looked awesome, perhaps too awesome. Ok, I can understand and agree with a nerf, but they went "way" too far particularly with regard to Demo Locks. And now, if you consider most of the other class changes, I don't believe Warlocks will measure up at all.

[Brusalk]

wow
Nice buffs ?


Nah, PvP specific tweaks aren't possible... are they ? What about Chaos Bolt then ! -_-

YES! That is a pretty significant buff to destro and demo. I guess they decided to go the route of buffing destro/demo and not nerfing affliction.

[Zumzumzum]

Some examples for Destro with quick math (assuming 10% buff to Incinerate means 10% buff to FnB-Inci ?) :
On Zor'lok : 120k => 128,5k
On Elegon : 330k => 354k
On Feng : 168k => 180k
On Protectors : 255k => 268k
On SoF : 186k => 197k

Edit: woops except that doesn't take into account the 4% nerf from GoSac :>
If you factor in this nerf the values don't change that much

[Sabsy]

thank god thank god thank god they finally buffed destro's passive dmg... without actually touching its burst, now people won't cry about destro in pvp and it won't get the nerf bat (at least not as hard)

whew

[Varulv]

I still can't wipe that huge-ass smile from my face after seeing GC's last post.

I play both DK & Warlock, so I am extra happy. :P Who doesn't like buffs, eh? However, I think frost will still be way ahead in terms of dmg, which sucks for Unholy lovers, but I'll stick to UH anyway, these QoL changes are good enough.

[Gohzerlock]

So happy about these buffs, we'll see what sticks but this is very nice. Now if affliction gets the nerf bat I won't be as bothered.. also makes the green fire quest more appealing.

[xskarma]

Ah, finally, the balance changes.

Nice changes too, let's hope this evens out the playing field somewhat. I didn't like the "Nerf Affliction" conversations, and now we get balance (or close to it) without any major changes to Affliction. I like!

[Potentio]

These buffs to Destruction will have some fancy consequences in PvP.

[Zumzumzum]

Applying the buffs & nerfs to Simcraft results,
Destro goes from 120k to 129k with the buffs, but it loses around 5k because of the GoSac nerf.

[Kuroto]

Some examples for Destro with quick math (assuming 10% buff to Incinerate means 10% buff to FnB-Inci ?) :
On Zor'lok : 120k => 128,5k
On Elegon : 330k => 354k
On Feng : 168k => 180k
On Protectors : 255k => 268k
On SoF : 186k => 197k

Edit: woops except that doesn't take into account the 4% nerf from GoSac :>
If you factor in this nerf the values don't change that much

Also remember the range nerf on FnB, so you can't do a few of the fights as before (Elegon, SoF).

[Lemie]

Yeeeey! Finally Immolate will hit like a half-soaked noodle instead of a really wet one.
Great tweaks though, thanks!

And oh, who uses GoSac anyway, Shivarra rocks me world and she is great, no really, she does great damage.

EDIT: With the nerf to FnB, and the buff to Immolate I recon we can still get of a FnB+Immolate and a FnB+Incinerate on the elegon adds, maybe doing aprox. the same damage as the 3 incinerates I shoot now.

EDIT2: Or I should say, Elegon-like encounters, as most of us probably wont set foot in there once 5.2 hits.

[n0n3]

http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=94524 is available on ptr, the proc is very unreliable once i got two in a row another time it took me 2mins to get it and the fun part is that u can snapshot your dots and make them crit all the time for the whole duration, i can already see the big weakura announce on ppl screens when this trinket procs. As affliction u prolly gona have to pool 1 shard to have it ready for sb:soul swap when this trinket procs.