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    Patch 5.2 Warlock discussion

    There are several builds in this post and things will obviously change from build to build, read through ALL of the builds to see what the changes are.

    First PTR patch data coming in more news on the frontpage post: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-16408

    Official notes:

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    The Felhunter ability Spell Lock is now an interrupt, and no longer applies a 3 second blanket Silence.

    Blood Fear has been redesigned. This ability is now cast on the Warlock, and causes melee attacks that strike within the next 60 seconds to Fear the attacker. When cast, the ability has 1 Charge, costs 20% health to activate, and has a 30 second cooldown.

    Soul Leech now provides an absorption shield instead of healing.

    Sacrificial Pact now requires the pet to sacrifice 25% of its health to activate (was 50%).

    Kil'jaeden's Cunning is now a passive talent, and its activated ability has been removed.

    The passive damage from Archimonde's Vengeance no longer has a visual effect.

    Grimoire of Sacrifice now increases the damage of abilities by 20% (was 25%) for Destruction, and 45% (was 50%) for Affliction.

    Grimoire of Sacrifice now provides the spell Whiplash instead of Seduction when a Succubus is sacrificed.

    Glyph of Burning Embers has been removed, and its effects are now baseline for Destruction Warlocks.

    Glyph of Soul Shards has been removed, and its effects are now baseline for Affliction Warlocks.

    New Glyph: Glyph of Ember Tap. This glyph increases the healing gained from Ember Tap by 50%.

    New Glyph: Glyph of Drain Life. This glyph increases the healing gained from Drain Life by 30%.

    There'll be countless more changes no doubt, but let's keep the general 5.2 changes discussion in this thread. I'll try to add to the OP as new builds of the PTR go out.




    Build 16446: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-16446


    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion

    Fel Armor now reduces damage taken by 10%, rather than increasing armor.
    Unstable Affliction now does 14% more damage when dispelled. This damage always critically strikes.


    Talents

    Blood Fear now costs 5% of Total Health, down from 20%.
    Burning Rush - During Burning Rush, movement-impairing effects may not reduce you below 100% of normal movement speed.
    Sacrificial Pact now shields for 400% of the sacrificed health, up from 200%.


    Affliction

    Unstable Affliction now does 14% more damage when dispelled. This damage always critically strikes.


    Major Glyphs

    Glyph of Ember Tap has been reworked: Ember Tap heals you for an additional 5% of your health, but the health is restored over 10 sec.
    Glyph of Unstable Affliction now reduces the cast time of Unstable Affliction by 25%.


    Tier piece set bonus:

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Item - Warlock T15 DPS 2P Bonus (New) While Dark Soul is active, your chance to trigger Nightfall is increased by 30%, Chaos Bolt and Shadowburn consume 20% less Embers, and abilities cost 30% less Demonic Fury.

    Item - Warlock T15 DPS 4P Bonus (New) Your Malefic Grasp and Drain Soul deal 5% more periodic damage, your Incinerate has a 8% chance to generate twice the normal Embers, and your Shadow Bolt and Soul Fire grant 5% more Demonic Fury.
    From the PTR Class and Set bonus issues thread: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-bonus-issues/

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    • Fel Armor has a significant typo in its tooltip; we added the 10% damage reduction and took away the armor. The health and healing received are still increases, not decreases.

    • The new Glyph of Unstable Affliction reduces the cast time, but does not affect the GCD. Thus, it is not a DPS gain in a purely Patchwerk situation, but makes it harder to be interrupted, and allows you to start moving again slightly faster.

    • The Affliction Warlock 4T15 bonus increases the damage of Malefic Grasp itself, and the extra ticks triggered by it. Same with Drain Soul.
    And again From the PTR Class and Set bonus issues thread: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-bonus-issues/

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    - With the 2pc, an Incinerate crit has an 8% chance to generate 4/10 of an ember. Yes, this will apply to Fire and Brimstone Incinerates.

    - We are strongly considering allowing Dark Intent to provide Stamina so that warlocks don't feel like they must use their imp.
    From the official patchhnotes of PTR build 16467: (some of these are allready mentioned in the previous patchnotes)

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Fel Armor now reduces damage taken by 10%, instead of increasing the Warlock’s armor.

    Blood Fear has a new visual and sound effect, and has a visual and sound effect when the proc occurs.

    Burning Rush now also prevents movement impairing effects from reducing the Warlock’s movement speed below 100% of normal, in addition to its other effects.

    The Imp pet ability Blood Pact has been removed.

    Dark Intent now increases Stamina in addition to Spell Power.

    New Glyph: Glyph of Ember Tap. This glyph increases the healing gained from Ember Tap by 33%, but the health is restored over 10 seconds.

    Glyph of Unstable Affliction changed. This ability now reduces the cast time of Unstable Affliction by 25%.

    Affliction

    Unstable Affliction’s Backlash effect is now always a critical hit, and deals approximately 15% more damage.

    The tier-14 2-piece set bonus now causes Dark Soul to incresae the duraton of Haunt by 4 seconds (instead of the previous Nightfall modifier).

    Demonology

    Chaos Wave now have a new visual.

    From the PTR Class and Set bonus issues thread: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-bonus-issues/

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    4 pc - now increases Demonic Fury from all spells by 10% (up from 5% on certain spells).
    PTR build 16486: Only has the previously mentioned tier bonus changes.

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion

    Item - Warlock T15 DPS 2P Bonus While Dark Soul is active, your chance to trigger Nightfall is increased by 30% Haunt's duration is increased by 2 sec, Chaos Bolt and Shadowburn consume 20% less Embers, and abilities cost 30% less Demonic Fury.
    Item - Warlock T15 DPS 4P Bonus Your Malefic Grasp and Drain Soul deal 5% more periodic damage, your Incinerate has a 8% chance to generate twice the normal Embers, and your Shadow Bolt and Soul Fire grant 5% more Demonic Fury. spells generate 10% more Demonic Fury.



    A change-revert after watching the implementation of it on the PTR for a while: (from the PTR CLass and Set bonus Issues thread)

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Warlock
    - We are reverting the removal of Spell Lock.

    PTR patch build 16503:

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Felhunter: Spell Lock once again silences the enemy for 3 sec.
    From the PTR Class and set bonus issues thread: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...5?page=68#1345

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Warlock
    - Blood Fear is now Blood Horror and is a 4 sec horror effect instead of a fear. It otherwise works as it does on the PTR.



    From PTR build 16539: tooltip change for what is now Blood Horror, and a change to Glyph of Eye of Kilrogg


    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion


    Talents

    Blood Horror While active, any time an enemy melee attack deals damage to the Warlock, the enemy will run in horror for up to 4 sec. Blood Horror lasts 60 sec.


    Minor Glyphs

    Glyph of Eye of Kilrogg The casting Warlock must be within line of sight of the Eye of Kilrogg to place the Demonic Circle.




    From the official 5.2 patch notes: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...es-february-5/


    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Destruction

    Fire and Brimstone now has a radius of 10 yards (was 15 yards).



    From PTR build 16562: (I'm assuming the HoG change is a tooltip thing and not an actual change, but we'll see)

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion


    Affliction

    Seed of Corruption explosion now has a 10 yd radius, down from 15.
    Soulburn: Curse: Your Curse of the Elements will affect all enemies in a 10yard radius around your target, down from 15.


    Demonology

    Hand of Gul'dan no longer scales with AP.


    Destruction

    Fire and Brimstone now has a 10 yd radius, down from 15.



    From the Class and Set bonus thread, part II: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...t-ii/#post1561

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Below are the scary guts of the new trinkets and metagems. This information is for theorycrafters. You don't need to read this to understand how the mechanics work or enjoy their benefits.

    Trinkets

    Intellect DPS
    - Volatile Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault – 15% chance on landing harmful spell. 45sec ICD.
    - Wushoolay’s Final Choice – 0.56 RealPPM on damage/absorb from harmful abilities and spells, and periodic spells. 22 sec ICD.
    - Breath of the Hydra – 0.50 RealPPM on damage/absorb from periodic spell. No ICD.
    - Unerring Vision of Lei-Shen – 0.50 RealPPM on damage/absorb from harmful spells and periodic spells. No ICD.
    - Cha-Ye's Essence of Brilliance – 1.00 RealPPM on critical harmful spells and periodic spells. No ICD.



    From part 3 of the Class and Set bonus discussion thread on the official forums: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7923993861#20

    Some awsome buffs for Destro and Demo!

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Warlock
    - Hand of Gul'dan, Shadowflame, Shadow Bolt, Touch of Chaos and Wild Imp Firebolt +15%.
    - Soul Fire damage +22%.
    - Conflagrate and Immolate damage +20%.
    - Incinerate damage +10%.


    From part 3 of the Class and Set bonus discussion thread on the official forums: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...t-iii/#post604

    About Destro and the "bug" where you are now NOT getting 2 embers refunded when you kill something with Shadowburn (which has been something that propped up Destro's DPS in tier 14 to an acceptable level) but on the PTR only get 1 refunded.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    We thought we did fix it. Any more information? It costs 1 ember, but if it kills the target or the target dies within 5 sec, it restores 1 ember, for a net costs of 0. If it ever restored 2 embers on a kill, that was a bug and probably got fixed.

    From part 3 of the Class and Set bonus discussion thread on the official forums: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...t-iii/#post699

    Seems Blizz was really quick and cool about the "bug" with Shadowburn

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Warlock
    - We are going to go ahead and grandfather in the bug of Shadowburn granting 2 embers on a kill. It is technically a bug, which is why we fixed it, but it's been that way since MoP launched and we don't think it's causing huge balance problems, so in cases like this, we think the right thing to do is just make it official.


    Changes with PTR build 16634: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-16634

    Major nerfs to Grimoire of Sacrifice

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion


    Talents

    Grimoire of Sacrifice (Affliction) now increases the power of many of your single target spells by 35%, down from 45%.
    Grimoire of Sacrifice (Destruction) now increases the power of many of your single target spells by 15%, down from 20%.



    From the Class balance and Set bonus thread, part III: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-iii/#post1591

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    - Haunt now increases damage to the target by 30% up from 25%. This is partially in compensation because we also nerfed Sacrifice for Affliction because it was looking too mandatory.

    - Partially reverted the buffs to Conflag and Immolate. They were +20%, and are now +15%.


    From PTR build 16650: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-16650

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion


    Talents

    Grimoire of Sacrifice Affliction and Demonology now share a tooltip, with Affliction sacrifice increasing the power of many of your single target spells by 30%, down from 35%.


    Affliction

    Haunt debuff now increases all damage done by your spells on the target by 30% for 8 sec, up from 25%.


    Destruction

    Conflagrate damage and SP scaling reduced by 4%.
    Immolate damage and SP scaling reduced by 4%.




    From the final official patchnotes of patch 5.2: http://us.battle.net//wow/en/blog/8896363

    Note the further nerf to Grimoire of Sacrifice.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment


    Warlock

    Fel Armor now reduces damage taken by 10%, instead of increasing the Warlock’s armor.
    Blood Fear has been replaced by Blood Horror. Blood Horror costs 5% health, has 1 charge, and lasts 60 seconds with 30-second cooldown. While Blood Horror is active, melee attacks that strike the Warlock will cause the attacker to be horrified for 4 seconds.
    Burning Rush now also prevents movement-impairing effects from reducing the Warlock’s movement speed below 100% of normal, in addition to its other effects.
    The Imp ability Blood Pact has been removed.
    Dark Intent now increases Stamina in addition to Spell Power.
    Immolate now deals 15% more damage.
    Shadow Bolt now deals 15% more damage.
    Soul Leech now provides an absorption shield instead of healing.
    Sacrificial Pact now requires the pet to sacrifice 25% of its health to activate (was 50%).
    Kil'jaeden's Cunning is now a passive talent, and its activated ability has been removed.
    The passive damage from Archimonde's Vengeance no longer has a visual effect.
    Grimoire of Sacrifice now increases the damage of abilities by 15% (was 25%) for Destruction Warlocks and 25% (was 50%) for Affliction Warlocks. In addition, it now provides the spell Whiplash instead of Seduction when a Succubus is sacrificed.
    Glyph of Burning Embers has been removed and its effects are now baseline for Destruction Warlocks.
    Glyph of Soul Shards has been removed and its effects are now baseline for Affliction Warlocks.
    New Glyph: Glyph of Ember Tap. This glyph increases the healing gained from Ember Tap by 33%, but the health is restored over 10 seconds.
    New Glyph: Glyph of Drain Life. This glyph increases the healing gained from Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Unstable Affliction has been redesigned. This glyph now reduces the cast time of Unstable Affliction by 25%.
    Affliction

    Haunt now causes the target to receive an additional 30% damage (was 25%) from Warlock's spells.
    Unstable Affliction’s backlash effect is now always a critical hit and deals approximately 15% more damage.


    Demonology

    Chaos Wave now has a new visual.
    Hand of Gul'dan now deals 15% more damage.
    Shadowflame now deals 15% more damage.
    Soul Fire now deals 22% more damage.
    Touch of Chaos now deals 15% more damage.
    Wild Imp's Firebolt now deals 15% more damage.


    Destruction

    Conflagrate now deals 15% more damage.
    Fire and Brimstone now has a radius of 10 yards (was 15 yards).
    Incinerate now deals 10% more damage.

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    Well, time to reroll...

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    As we guessed, nerfs to GoSac for demo and affli. Reduce to 20-45% damage increase from original 25-50%

    Also:

    Glyph of Drain Life Increases the healing of your Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Ember Tap Increases the healing of your Ember Tap by 50%.

    Does this mean that 4 shards and embers will become baseline?

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    So it's 20% of my healt + a melee hit if I want to get that instat fear wich can be avoidable or the melee can call in vent "I'm about to get the fear".

    Also, if you have those new bubbles on you... well, I don't have to say it @_@.

    I can't imagine why would someone take this crap talent now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madindehead View Post
    Glyph of Drain Life Increases your maximum Soul Shards by 1. Increases the healing of your Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Ember Tap Increases your maximum Burning Embers by 1. Increases the healing of your Ember Tap by 50%.

    Does this mean that 4 shards and embers will become baseline?
    Or that we will stay at 3 shards/embers? *fear*
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    Also nerfing GoSac. God dammit

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    Quote Originally Posted by madindehead View Post
    As we guessed, nerfs to GoSac for demo and affli. Reduce to 20-45% damage increase from original 25-50%

    Also:

    Glyph of Drain Life Increases the healing of your Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Ember Tap Increases the healing of your Ember Tap by 50%.

    Does this mean that 4 shards and embers will become baseline?
    Very likely yes or replaced even with those twp glyphs; Ember tap is REALLY really strong as it is It's a really nice buff to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madindehead View Post
    As we guessed, nerfs to GoSac for demo and affli. Reduce to 20-45% damage increase from original 25-50%

    Also:

    Glyph of Drain Life Increases the healing of your Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Ember Tap Increases the healing of your Ember Tap by 50%.

    Does this mean that 4 shards and embers will become baseline?
    Yeah, pretty much, there was litterally noone NOT taking them, and they were pretty much mandatory. I forgot to add the Affli & Demo GoSac changes, I think I'll add those to the OP, cause that's pretty fucking HUGE change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devildeer View Post
    So it's 20% of my healt + a melee hit if I want to get that instat fear wich can be avoidable or the melee can call in vent "I'm about to get the fear".

    Also, if you have those new bubbles on you... well, I don't have to say it @_@.

    I can't imagine why would someone take this crap talent now.
    Useless talent now :3 Unbound will ftw... I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by madindehead View Post
    As we guessed, nerfs to GoSac for demo and affli. Reduce to 20-45% damage increase from original 25-50%

    Also:

    Glyph of Drain Life Increases the healing of your Drain Life by 30%.
    Glyph of Ember Tap Increases the healing of your Ember Tap by 50%.

    Does this mean that 4 shards and embers will become baseline?
    I would think so, otherwise it doesnt make any sense atleast. However its a really fucking sweet change for destruction pvp

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-22 at 02:54 AM ----------

    Btw the curse of enfeeblement is just a tooltip fix

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    Yeah, I really hope that shards/embers go to 4 baseline. Going down to 3 would be horrible

    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Burning Rush is in there too. God damn, I hope this is true also!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Well least that's a positive change for once :3

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    Hmm, that change to Blood Fear happens to be exactly what I've been suggesting.

    Don't know what to think about Soul Leech and I'm not sure if Sacrificial Pact really needed to be nerfed in half though...

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    Ugh. Maybe it really is time to reroll.

    MoP seems to be the expac where they just abhorrently ruin us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    Hmm, that change to Blood Fear happens to be exactly what I've been suggesting.
    Did you also read the 20% health cost part? Because I don't think any rational person would suggest to put such a steep cost on such a mediocre talent. Even without the health cost it is already a major nerf, I have no idea why they felt the need to make it even crappier.

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    Spell Lock Counters an enemy's spellcast, preventing any spell from that school of magic from being cast for 6 sec.

    old: Spell Lock Silences the enemy for 3 sec. If used on a casting target, it will counter the enemy's spellcast, preventing any spell from that school of magic from being cast for 6 sec.


    lots of warlock pvp nerfs. wtf.
    bloodfear was a dumb thing for sure. but ffs, there needs to be a good compensation. warlocks are far from good in pvp atm. instead they nerf our dmg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    Don't know what to think about Soul Leech and I'm not sure if Sacrificial Pact really needed to be nerfed in half though...
    Can only hope that the absorb stacks as opposed to 'biggst ability in the last 15 seconds'. I imagine the damage component will be nerfed to like 5% if it does stack since unlike the heal which is useless at full health you could keep rolling an absorb in a no damage phase until your eventually hit. Probably be capped at a % of your health too like 20%.

    Sac pact i guess needed a nerf though I'll be very sad to see it go. I would have prefered them just lopping off a minute on dark bargain though in all honesty. Atm sac pact just gives you a crazy absorb shield on a minute cd. Especially very cool for demo as pets get healed up pretty quick so not even the self 'harm' from it.

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    I will bet you 50,000 gold that the new glyph of ember tap wont make it live. 38% heals seems a bit over the edge ^^

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    So they remove blanket silence, blood fear and put the final blow on enfeeblement without compensating. Meanwhile they throw buffs at rogues again. How can they not see that rogues have WAY more utility than warlocks as it is? I don't understand how they can get so much more love when both have been equally bad (besides the short time demo was the shit). Didn't locks complain enough or what's up with this? I'm glad I don't PvP on my toon.

    GoSac changes seems fine. They've been doing their best to try avoid cookie cutter builds so this is good. Same with soul shard/burning ember glyphs if they become baseline.

    I did expect some bigger nerfs for Affli's damage output. Maybe I've been overestimating the spec.

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