2nd wind and shockwave nerfed

[Trubo]

Shockwave change should be: If shockwave hits an enemy player, the cooldown is increased to 40 seconds.

Shockwave should have been made Protection baseline rather than been put into the talent tree. Throwdown should have remained baseline for Arms and possibly made baseline for Fury. To replace its spot in the tree, an improved version of Thunderclap should have been added.

[Redlikemyrage]

Shockwave should have been made Protection baseline rather than been put into the talent tree. Throwdown should have remained baseline for Arms and possibly made baseline for Fury. To replace its spot in the tree, an improved version of Thunderclap should have been added.

I really don't understand all the anger over Shockwave, its not worth it single-target, even for prot. If it hits 3 targets, its a 20 sec CD. No change. If you are facing 2 targets, Shockwave isn't really worth it. This nerf barely affects PvE, period. People need to get over it.

[Grim32]

These nerfs would be much better to deal with if Warrs didn't get screwed with every patch they've made since Wrath. I honestly can't stand being on my prot warrior. It feels horrible compared to my other tank classes...

-Grim

[endersblade]

i remember in wrath win warriors bladestormed people ran away, now people stand it and giggle lol

I remember when this game was actually fun. /rosetintedgoggles

[Trubo]

I really don't understand all the anger over Shockwave, its not worth it single-target, even for prot. If it hits 3 targets, its a 20 sec CD. No change. If you are facing 2 targets, Shockwave isn't really worth it. This nerf barely affects PvE, period. People need to get over it.

I liked Shockwave being a back-up interrupt if my Pummel is on CD and I couldn't rely on pug dps to interrupt, especially since Pummel is now 15 seconds instead of 10 seconds. Was extremely helpful in Halls of Origination, Vortex Pinnacle, and ZA back in Cataclysm.

I'm hoping that when 5.2 goes live that Shockwave will function differently for Protection versus Arms and Fury; namely not additional 20 second cooldown triggered if less than 3 targets hit.

[MrHappy]

oh look another they nerfed my class and that's why i no longer play WoW anymore

[Redlikemyrage]

I liked Shockwave being a back-up interrupt if my Pummel is on CD and I couldn't rely on pug dps to interrupt, especially since Pummel is now 15 seconds instead of 10 seconds. Was extremely helpful in Halls of Origination, Vortex Pinnacle, and ZA back in Cataclysm.

I'm hoping that when 5.2 goes live that Shockwave will function differently for Protection versus Arms and Fury; namely not additional 20 second cooldown triggered if less than 3 targets hit.

Right, and it would have completely sucked to have to deal with in Cataclysm. But we aren't in Cataclysm, and none of the 5 mans we have now are even remotely close to that level of challenge. Your point about it being a back-up interrupt only applies to trash, but I see it nonetheless. Regardless, for single-target/boss tanking, it shouldn't be missed by any tanks. And boss tanking is all that matters, trash is just a time killer.

My point, though, is that in today's game, you, as a tank, do not require that level of control over mobs. If you did, don't you think every other tank would have a cone or AoE stun? And while yes, some tanks can spec into talents that bring similar control, none of them come to mind that have less than a 40 sec. CD. In other words, I'm sure no prot warrior will truly suffer dealing with the 40 sec CD if they use it single target it. It is what it is.

[Venaliter]

What's even more annoying is things like CC have been like that ages. And the world did not end.

There was more CC added in MoP. Straw that broke the camel's back.

Solution : Replace shockwave talent with throwdown(maybe with a smaller cd than cata). Make shockwave baseline for prot.

I'd be okay with this.

2nd wind nerfed, and impending victory/enraged regen not touched.... im getting scared now.

I believe Enraged Regeneration was buffed.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure the nerfs are not gonna kill the class 1% less heal and a 20 sec CD on an OP stun seems legit to me.

Yeah, seems fine. Certain people, also suspiciously in this thread, said the same thing about Avatar, TfB, Dragon Roar, Gag Order; those sly people screamed to the high heavens it was the end of competitive warriors.

again, the wrong things are addressed -

no penalty in staying in D stance

Yeah...I would say D stance was worse then Second Wind. But they dramatically lessened the rage gained by staying in 2nd Wind, so there's at least SOME trade off now.

While I agree that Shockwave was too good for Arms, I do not understand why they add such a stupid mechanic in order to reduce the cooldown.

Add a new passive to protection called something silly like Crowd controller that reduces the cooldown by 20 seconds. Done. Nerf for PvP Arms as intended, no change to Protection PvE ( unless Protection PvP was overpowered aswell? )

Cause this nerfs Arms in PvE, by removing utility.

It could be simpler than that, since multiple Talents across classes scale slightly differently or alter their effect based on class.

Just split it Shockwave (Arms, Fury) and Shockwave (Protection). If that seems clunky and unclean, well, compare that to the current solution.

This is what I would have done.

Well seeing that most of the classes are getting buff and warrior is getting nerfs means that other classes will surpass warriors. So NO these are not good changes. Besides "will still have high damage"? Are u retarded? Without cd's warriors dmg sucks.

I have a sneaking suspicion you'll be pleasantly surprised by how the new TfB works out. You *can* use it to raise your sustained in PvP, or save it all for deadly amount of burst.

Honestly, it's about time. I want every class to be competitive. Competitive, but balanced.

Me, too.

[starkey]

1 talent system too rule them all.

[Redlikemyrage]

I have a sneaking suspicion you'll be pleasantly surprised by how the new TfB works out. You *can* use it to raise your sustained in PvP, or save it all for deadly amount of burst.

Let us not forget the straight buff to slam's damage.

[Kankipappa]

Let us not forget the straight buff to slam's damage.

Keep in mind that they have to do that, after simply removing Heroic Strike "from the bars" from PvE Arms warriors (and PvP just for off the GCD snare with the glyph). Heroic strike with 1 TBF really equals that new slam by damage and even after that overpower damage still sucks, so instead of us using HS they're forcing more slams on our rotation. While it's fine it probably won't raise the overall damage at all. because you're forced to wait that 1.5s GCD each slam.
Actually stuff like Bloodbath will just get weaker for Arms, because you can't have luck and align high TFB stacks inside those anymore. Burst all gone, while the overall damage is simply as weak as before. Stormbolt does even it up a bit and probably will be PvE choice for Arms next patch. Maybe we will see some funky cleave usage instead of HS just to buff the overpower damage by overpower glyph, hehe (not really though, because of weak rage income).

Although one can argue that next tier weapons are going to "fix" that damage problem again.