Hah, well in that case count me in
The thing with Elemental 4-pc is...
As a 10m raider with no Warrior in our group, and someone who tries to use it with Ancestral Guidance for huge heals, I'm liking the set-bonus. At the same time, however, it should still be a dps gain for everyone, and not just those unlucky enough to lack a Warrior!
they nerfed sac buffed haunt , they buffed arcane then nerfed then buffed then nerfed and buffed again all spells for 2 %
and look at trinkets and what benefit it has to aff
its the usual joke, buff ele by a tiny tiny amount, give everyone else huge changes.
if GC thinks 5.2 should go live as it is and leave it like this until 5.3, he's more retarded than we first thought.
For Shaman we have warning signals like not-so-awesome trinkets, legendary meta which adds hardly some DPS upgrade or not much fancy 4p. :P
Unfortunately, when stuff like this gets brought up we're told it's too soon to know. Understandable, because numbers get changed often, but by the time we do know for sure....it's too late for the devs to make any changes.
These words in my mouth... where did they come from? I don't think I'm the one that put them there...
In two days it'll hit live and people will start posting logs of their fights. Just wait two days and we'll see how we're looking on the first couple of fights
Folks, the sims are still VERY much partially complete and imperfectly tested. That's why simulationcraft doesn't have a 5.2 version ready for download, or t15 data on their front page. Simulationcraft isn't a monolithic tool where everything is at the same stage of development; each class and spec is often being worked on by different people, at different paces.
Preliminary sims need to be taken with much larger grains of salt than even release-stage sims, which have plenty of issues of their own. I'm not saying Elemental will be fine and to ignore the sims (I think we'll be a bit low still), but the sims aren't "proof".
How about we just completely disregard simcraft sims that don't have a dedicated guy behind the spec in question (or behind each spec in question) that can prove he knows his shit. Otherwise they will continue to be as worthless to others as they clearly have been to enhance since they spiked in popularity in cata (late wrath?)
Quite a few classes have their own much more reliable sims, is FD and SC still continued? I know Enhsim is no longer maintained by the guy who did a good job with it (still not 100% but it got a lot closer than anything else), not sure if it's even maintained.
I tell you now those sims are probably accurate. When i saw mop beta sims 6 months ago, elemental was at the bottom. Everbody yelled 'those sims aren't accurate', they do not reflex ingame numbers.
well tbh ... yes they do
hitting bottom and bottom isn't exactly difficult to sim. But on both the OP side and hte UP side, getting people to dismiss sims that aren't good enough quality also means when someone damning comes up on a sim YOU CAN USE IT as evidence.
You don't need sims to predict where elemental's place will be in 5.2.
We have enough data from 5.0/5.1.
Look over the changes of all speccs.
Look at elemental's scaling, we are the only casters who use red gems. But our gain from int isn't stronger than the other classes'.
Look at the new meta gem, or read the blue post. Just wait for "We are aware of the issue, but we think it will be fine".
Look at Unerring Vision of Lei Shen, or read the blue post.
I can't predict numbers that way, but it gives a good picture where we will find ourselves compared to other speccs.
I would love a new passive like: If your LvB or CL cast time is below 1 second, their dmg is increased by the portion the cast time is below one second...adding to that the Chaos Bolt mechanic to LvB, that would solve a lot of scaling issues and put our dps in regions where at least I think it should be, no multidotting, good cleave, good single target, good meaning between 60th and 80th percentile.
Last edited by Laurean; 2013-03-03 at 06:54 PM.
The 5.1 sims have Shadow WAY at the bottom. Ret is also down there, both below Elemental. In practice, even on single-target fights that are as close to a Patchwerk sim as we can get, they both do significantly better in practice than the sims show.
Sims are a tool. They don't reflect reality perfectly.
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It's evidence. It's not proof. People are saying "look at these sims, we're screwed." That's acting as if it's proof, when it's not. It's indicative there might be a problem, but you should be backing that up with other evidence, too.