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  1. #221
    Ret Paladins cant get into RBG's because we dont bring anything that a holy paladin cant bring

    Warriors cant get into RBG's because we dont bring anything that a dk cant bring, ie damage

    just about 80% of all 2000+ arena teams have a warrior.

    proof? I highly doubt its 80% and I highly doubt there are stats that show warrior representation after avatar nerfs. and the nerfs didnt stop there.

    Also, what kind of fucked up "communist" logic is that, if I am suffering (retri paladin) so should everyone else (warriors in this case)? Instead of asking to fix your class, you are asking to break another class? Beats me.

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    Stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Ret Paladins



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    just about 80% of all 2000+ arena teams have a warrior
    Just did the numbers for my battlegroup 'Bloodlust' of 306 teams rated over 2000 in 3v3 and 5v5, only 91 contain a warrior.

    Roughly 29.7% representation in 2000+ competition, not even close to 80% sorry.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Fawxey View Post
    Just did the numbers for my battlegroup 'Bloodlust' of 306 teams rated over 2000 in 3v3 and 5v5, only 91 contain a warrior.

    Roughly 29.7% representation in 2000+ competition, not even close to 80% sorry.
    well i did a search on Cyclone / Wirbelsturm with how many teams had a xx class in there team. here are the numbers.

    dk: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    druid: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    hunter: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    mage: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    monk: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    pala: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    priest: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    rogue: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    shaman: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    warlock: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter
    warrior: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...ompType=filter

    253 teams 113 had a warrior in them. agree its not 80%. but most team got a warrior in there team.

  6. #226
    Okay so, Bladestorm back to not been able to be Disarmed, Arms seems to be bad by now, So I'm thinking going Fury 2h's with Bladestorm Fury dont have that stable dmg as arms but I think One shoot macro with Fury pvp can be really good You spin around as dmging truck after that you can go off with getting 2 RB blows open with CS to than smash in 2 RB's som HS, the person should take alot of dmg than. I will be testing out bladestorm one shotwith both bloodbath & Avatar to see if the Bleed effect can do more pressure for the healers if they are grouped i can get out a heavy bladestorm with bloodbath after that bloodbath will still tick than we will go onto burst the target signed to nuke. Please some response what do you think?

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    in 5v5 Lolstorm TG was godlike, 100k DPS for 6sec in arena, that was fun. Got disarmed now and then, and the enemy teams learned to be spread out in the end
    The damage should scale like so it wouldnt be DPS loss to pop it in 1v1, then when more are hit it reduces damage.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by LordKefka06 View Post
    Most OP thing in 5.2 so far. A 20 second DBTS is going to lead to too much cheesing. Just the damage reduction alone is very valuable.
    Most OP thing? Did you see RoP? And btw 20s duration is not obtainable by Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Most people that complain about nerfs are usually PvPers.
    The main focus of this thread is pvp. Arms already sucks ass in pve so obviously this discussion is going to be focused on where the class was doing fine before.

    Also, it's nice having 6 counter classes 3 of which hard counter us and the rest 5 classes being even matches. Aka we don't counter anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    The main focus of this thread is pvp. Arms already sucks ass in pve so obviously this discussion is going to be focused on where the class was doing fine before.

    Also, it's nice having 6 counter classes 3 of which hard counter us and the rest 5 classes being even matches. Aka we don't counter anything.
    The main focus of this thread is changes in general. I think I'd know, I started it.
    PvPers seem to react more because of the whole balance deal, PvEers are really all focused on 1 goal and a change in a rotation isnt too big of a deal to us.
    Interesting to see the difference in reactions.

  12. #232
    PvP is more hotly debated here then simply due to the fact that more mechanics address pvp than pve. When push comes to shove, the role of a dps'er in pve is to dps. The role of a dps in pvp is so SO much more it's insane. And all the blatant over the top nerfs going on? They're mostly for pvp and not for pve. Number tuning alone will address most pve concerns. So do you really expect there to be less pve whining in such a case?

    Anyways, I liked the overall gist of GC's proposed changes in the recent blue posts. What I can't get over is the fact that he keeps saying "we've hit the major perpetrator HARD" and completely ignores the fact that there are 3-4 OTHER classes taking their spot not because arms, frost, shadow are getting nerfed but because uh, rogues, monks are getting ridiculously over buffed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Most people that complain about nerfs are usually PvPers.
    actually

    most people that complain have no arena achievements and have never been 1500 in any bracket

    but then again... if you go to the warrior forums on AJ, you can observe how being a gladiator doesn't mean you can't act like you're 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    PvP is more hotly debated here then simply due to the fact that more mechanics address pvp than pve. When push comes to shove, the role of a dps'er in pve is to dps. The role of a dps in pvp is so SO much more it's insane. And all the blatant over the top nerfs going on? They're mostly for pvp and not for pve. Number tuning alone will address most pve concerns. So do you really expect there to be less pve whining in such a case?
    honestly

    whenever a warrior gets nerfed

    nine times out of ten, it's because of pvp

    but hey, at least we aren't rogues. even at their peak, i still think that anyone who mains a rogue in pve is a masochist
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  14. #234
    So I guess that Bladestorm in 5.2 will be with RoP as "The Immovable Object" is with "The Unstoppable Force"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Most people that complain about nerfs are usually PvPers.
    Because warriors get more buffs than nerfs in pve.

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    I also forgot to mention: GC says that frost mages were one of the specs majorly nerfed along with warriors and shadow priests. Except all the frost mage nerfs coming into 5.2 to were reverted...Oh GC you so funny.
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  17. #237
    Well I guess they really want that rmp/wizard comeback.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Most people that complain about nerfs are usually PvPers.
    I'm going to debate this as I don't like most of the "nerfs" (and I'm a PVE'r) to Arms. This is because I really don't care for the Fury play-style and Arms PVE was sub-par even before 5.2. Post 5.2 it appears to be even worse.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    I also forgot to mention: GC says that frost mages were one of the specs majorly nerfed along with warriors and shadow priests. Except all the frost mage nerfs coming into 5.2 to were reverted...Oh GC you so funny.
    THIS has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that GC plays mage!

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