Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying DW is hard in the slightest, but you make out like compared to everything else it's brain-dead easy. It's not like 2H is hard either, tbh I'd say 2H is even easier - you're just being extremely bias because you don't like the fact that you press 1 button a lot. You also press Obliterate a lot too, so? o.O
Yeah, I don't understand the constant assertions of how easy Masterfrost is. Relative to what? It feels like a normal DPS cycle to me, roughly on par with most other specs.
Yep, it's easier than some and harder than others. It's certainly more challenging than 2H frost, although neither one is exactly rocket-surgery. And if you choose to take plague leech and blood tap, it's one of the most difficult priorities to execute in the game.
They're nothing if not inconsistent!
Blade Flurry made it through the beginning of Cataclysm, when everybody's cleave/AE was nerfed to hell. Now that everybody else is buffed back up, they're nerfing Blade Flurry. It is totally bizarre. But this isn't the rogue forums, so... anyway.
It's important to remember that, as far as single-target is concerned, it's highly dependent on your weapon anyway. If you have a higher ilvl 2h available than 1h weapons, it's likely that you'll do better as 2h than 1h on single-target fights.
The two-handed playstyle currently performs considerably better than the dual-wielding one.
There are many other sites and addons that confirm/prove/beat the dead horse repeatedly on this.
But for argument sake this is just my opinion. The only way to prove it to yourself is to get out there and try both. If you do more as DW who cares? Then DW till your hearts content.
That info is dated before they figured out how to make BT work for DW frost. DW is technically higher, if you use BT properly.
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Yeah, uh... No.
Multiple fights have adds, cleave or movement/target switching (in which you can still do a lot of your damage as DW with HB), which alone make DW better (need I point you to Garalon just to exaggerate my point?). DW also does better on single-target Patchwerk fights, just go look at the logs and Sims if you need to, just stop spouting misinformation. 2H is fine, but it certainly isn't "Considerably better".
I would actually argue that 2H frost is severely disadvantaged when compared to DW. That's why I generally suggest adding Obliterate to Frost's mastery and dropping its base damage to compensate, so both DW and 2H reforge to mastery and 2H's AE/cleave/mobile performance ends up closer to DW's.
Mastery: Frozen Heart
Increases your Obliterate and all Frost damage by [mastery]%.
That being said I'm not so obtuse to continue to think I'm right. If DW really is the better way to go I'd like to ask for help to understand what I'm doing wrong.
Does this EJ thread cover the DW rotation better? And if I have a better 2H that 1h will that for sure make 2h better?
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BT if stacks > 10 and RP > 76 or RP < 20 and KM
FS if RP > 88
Outbreak if diseases not up or UB if diseases not up
BT is SR is unusable
Diseases via HB/PS
FS if RP > 76
Oblit if 2 UH runes
HB if double rune F or D runes
oblit if UH rune > 1 and its usable
BT if nothing else to do
FS if rp > 40
First US player listed Danoman -
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Danoman/simple = A 492 equipped, Legendary wielding 2h player
Second US player listed Ellianne -
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...llianne/simple = A 497 equipped, Heroic Starshatter wielding 2h player...... What is wrong with this picture? lol. Sorry had too.
Um... Ellianne is DW... Are you sure she wasn't in tank gear? If you look at the logs you'll see that. Also look at any of her other parses, they're all DW.
For 2 targets (nearly 100% on garalon) DW will always win out if you play it correctly.
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DW just annoys me.
You're either spamming frost strike or spamming howling blast. I really wish blizzard would make the rotation satisfying. While I'm playing DW DK because it fits the concept I want to play, the rotation is probably the least satisfying one I've ever played...ever.
Combine that with the fact that every single strike has the same animation getting spammed over and over and over again, and the fact that howling blast sheethes your OH weapon, DW just seems like a severe oversight. Like virtually no thought was put into it.
I'm a 2h player... I likely always will be simply because I'm not at the pinnacle of raiding excellence. I do 2ish raids a week and we haven't even started heroics yet. If I were trying to push the maximum DPS then i'd go DW because it's just well known that single target DPS is on-par and any fight that involves a cleave will see DW pull ahead, but with DW you need twice as many valor points to upgrade the damn things -.-
I also like being able to swap between Unholy and Frost when i feel like it (I prefer unholy's play style).
2H does fine, just like unholy does fine. Neither will do as good as DW when you have people pushing the specs to their optimal limit but "meh" am never going to be the best geared DK so am not looking for top 10 ranks. On the flip side if you're DW and have a 2hander you can have a blood offspec without reforging for 5mans and soloing stuff :-D