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Before Saddam the tribes fought each other tooth to nail, killing each other over little to nothing. They couldn't get along, they never have, and never will.
Saddam crushed that kind of civil war. He restored some sort of peace, by ruling over everything with his regime, treating all tribes equally.
We may not like his actions, we may certainly disapprove of his methods. Yet, that's what his achievements been.
Since his removal the region became a lot more unstable.
The sooner we learn that we cannot put our moral and lifestyle stamp onto the entire region, the sooner we have the right mindset to work with those people, and to achieve true stability, if that's ever possible at all.
As for Netanyahu, sorry to say this, but this man needs to get his head out of his own ass.
Israel has no exclusive claim to Jerusalem. Period... No matter how someone want's to twist it.
He claims the city belongs to Israel for 3000 years.. This claim is based on nothing but religious scripture. Yet used as a fact. By religious scripture however it is also a fact that both sides of the conflict are siblings. Both, Israelites and Muslim (Islam as religion came much much later) are children of Abraham.
Religion aside for that matter, up until 600 BC, all ethnic groups that can't get along now, lived there united and in peace as one.
His views are unacceptable, and bear zero logic.
If they had any logic, should we start all over again in Europe and Asia? Should we raise wars against each other, because after all, several nations have an older claim?
How about Italy rises, and wants to reclaim the Roman Empire?
How about the Mongols step up and want to rebuild the biggest empire ever existed, by re-establishing Genghis Khans empire? And the list goes on....
But watch out Israel.... you better hope you won't get what you are asking for. You certainly don't want to go through a rise of the powers responsible for the Crusades.
if you really have to live by the scriptures, then do it consequently and remember your all's father....
Alot of zionists actually are firm believers they are entitled to it all and without questioning.
The exact same thing can be said about many palestinians and definately Hamas.
So I guess it just make what has been obvious for decades even more obvious.
Netanyahu is an extremist, a religious zealot that the world would be way better without, especially the middle east region.
Wish I could celebrate his demise soon.
Putins agresssions brings back the cold war.
It's not easy to restraint and kick right wing powers from office. Somehow they always manage to get that majority for some time, until the people are fed up with them enough again. Meanwhile they can be as destructive to true and peaceful progress as it gets.
Doesn't really matter where. It's the same everywhere.
Unlike First Past the Post like say the United States in which minority parties might as well not exist, or even the United Kingdom where power is still sufficiently consolidated. Under these systems, major parties have to build broad, compromising platforms to appeal to a whole spectrum of the electorate, or they won't win power. As the Republicans found out this year.
Merry Xmas from Bibi!!
Just announced even more settlements today.
I've kept silent on a number of these anti-Israel threads because I can't bring up certain subjects but this is just ridiculous. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Its been the capital of Israel since King David conquered it and its always going to be the capital of Israel. Saying that the Israelis can't build in their own capital is just asinine. The Palestinians have no legitimate claim to Jerusalem and they never will.
“Fairy tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten.”
― G.K. Chesterton
The fact remains, the israeli people were absent from Palestine for almost 2000 years. But allow me this question. If tomorrow the people whom the Israeli destroyed when they conquered Israel originally (can't spell their names, phoenicians?) came back tomorrow and said Palestine is theirs, would you, as an Israeli, move? They've been there before you by the same logic you're using.
And for those living in USA who might not understand this, if the native americans, the indians, if they went today and said "american people, most of you are not native-americans, so fuck off since we were here first" would you move? And I'm not telling like them taking 3 houses, but in them trying to retake 90% of the territory they had before the british, the spanish and the french came. Heck, in the end, their territory has only been occupied for like what, 400 years? So much less then the 2000 the israeli people base their claims on.
The palestinians have as much claim to Jerusalem as you do. Why? Because now, in the present, they live there too. The same way albanians had a claim with Kosovo even though it had been the birth region of Serbia. Why? Because now albanian people live there.
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I think the Israeli PM is being a little bit overzealous, but I think the Country does belong to them. This type of attitude on BOTH sides is the reason why the area will never have peace. Until all "big egos" can stop bickering and being so hateful, nothing can be solved or done for the better.
Both sides are biased. And, both sides are at fault.
I don't get it. What's the long-term plan here ? Does Israel claim the whole of Palestine ? Why haven't they properly annexed it then ? If they're going to destroy the two people two nations solution, do they even realize they're going to have these two people living together in the same state ? The only alternative is genocide.
Israel has been a stain on the East-West relations for far too long if you ask me.