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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Does Yugoslavia exist anymore? No. The state collapsed as a result of its revolution into pieces which own their own are democratic but are frequently engaged in conflicts with other members. Further incidences of states splitting up are not 'revolutions', they are wars of independence, which applies to the United States as well.
    Ok... except Kosovo and Serbia, which, let's be honest, have been quarreling with one another since the minority became the majority in Kosovo, which other former Yugoslavian state fought any other?

    But the fall of communism were revolutions. Romania is still the same as it was before 89' territory wise, so is Albania, Bulgaria etc. And they didn't fight to be independent from USSR, at this time Gorbachev had already given them some freedom, they fought to get rid of their own dictators. And now they're democratic countries. 2 of them in the EU even.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krazus View Post
    The end result will most likely be the same, extreme infighting between the many disparate groups that make up the resistance movement now. Deposing Assad is the easy part, it's after that that it starts looking like Iraq.
    It only starts looking like Irak if the US try to continue controlling it. Otherwise it will just be another partially corrupt country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnorei View Post
    Ok... except Kosovo and Serbia, which, let's be honest, have been quarreling with one another since the minority became the majority in Kosovo, which other former Yugoslavian state fought any other?
    You seem to forget the wars in Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia during the 1990s.



    But the fall of communism were revolutions. Romania is still the same as it was before 89' territory wise, so is Albania, Bulgaria etc. And they didn't fight to be independent from USSR, at this time Gorbachev had already given them some freedom, they fought to get rid of their own dictators. And now they're democratic countries. 2 of them in the EU even.
    Again, not strict revolutions. The American colonies were not part of the United Kingdom in the same way that Romania and Bulgaria were not part of the USSR, but still under its political auspices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    You seem to forget the wars in Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia during the 1990s.
    ummm... those were part of the violent revolution and part of Serbia's mad dictator trying to take the regions back. And no for Slovenia. Slovenia was tehnically in the war for 10 days.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War



    Again, not strict revolutions. The American colonies were not part of the United Kingdom in the same way that Romania and Bulgaria were not part of the USSR, but still under its political auspices.
    "Thus, in 1968 Romania under communism is the only socialist state not participating in the invasion of Cehoslavacia, which, in some measure, brought veiled support of democratic countries such as Great Britain."
    http://whatafy.com/romania-under-communism.html

    Do you really think that if USSR would have fully controlled Romania we could have done that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnorei View Post
    ummm... those were part of the violent revolution and part of Serbia's mad dictator trying to take the regions back. And no for Slovenia. Slovenia was tehnically in the war for 10 days.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War
    A war is a war, is a war.

    "Thus, in 1968 Romania under communism is the only socialist state not participating in the invasion of Cehoslavacia, which, in some measure, brought veiled support of democratic countries such as Great Britain."
    http://whatafy.com/romania-under-communism.html

    Do you really think that if USSR would have fully controlled Romania we could have done that?
    "Fully control"? No. But it was not a truly autocephalous state.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    negotiations that have gone nowhere for years whilst the israelis chisel away at palestinian land, oppress its people and steal the gas and oil recently dsicovered off the coast of Gaza. unsurprisingly he went to the UN. israel holds all the cards what else could he do.
    Save it, the ones you support refuse to negotiate in good faith, When you do that you accept the consequences of no movement. The Israelis SHOULD continue, as they currently control the land they are building on, until Abbas and cadre come to the table. Why should they bother stopping building on the land if there are no negotiations in progress regarding the land? Hmm?

    Now if Abbas and the Palestinians were actually interested in negotiating and actively pursuing it, THEN I might see a reason for Israel to stop building, but not until. Sorry.
    Last edited by Seranthor; 2012-12-24 at 02:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEYR View Post
    And, you know, thousands and thousands of rockets...
    I didn't include Hamas in the equation because they're more or less like the israelis. I was referring to the people that have to go through shit not necessarily due to religion, but chunks of dirt.

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    The Jews really learnt their lesson well from the Nazis. Conducting genocide in an oderly fashion.

    Infracted: Please refrain from generalizations on the national level and nation bashing.
    Last edited by Wikiy; 2012-12-25 at 10:48 AM.
    8 year olds Dude.

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    I see a lot of refrences to Genocide, I'm wondering if the people here are saying Israel is systamticly trying to wipe out all Palestinians it can get a hold of by killing them?

    It's just that according to the Palestinian themselves, there are rouglht 4 times more Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza now then threre were when Israel took over... So I'm just saying that if Israel tries to wipe them off the face of the planet, it's doing a pretty shitty job at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zallex View Post
    Why all the hate on Israel??? they are just about the ONLY nation in the middle east that isn't burning European/American flags and wanting "death to the west".

    Also why in the hell would anyone except radical muslims want palestine to have an independent state???? The last thing we need is another government helping terrorists.
    The "hate" on Israel comes from not turning a blind eye to

    . UN peace accords
    . Human rights violations
    . The willingness to draw the world into yet another war


    here is a little quandary for you

    you are 14 years old, one day at home ( you don't have a school), you see soldiers rushing through your home and see your parents shot. within 2 weeks you have no money, no hope of employment and no food. because you lack a nationality your movement will be restricted within an occupied territory. An organization of which you no not the name says that if you are willing to fight for them that they will take care of you and your family.

    Do you

    A) wait a few more weeks and watch as your family starves to death
    B) attempt to without and education, nationality or consistent access to electricity and running water to try and get a job or start a business.
    C) take the offer.



    The root of the issue comes from

    1. Constant military activity either by rebels or Israeli soldiers.
    2. The lack of a state prevents
    - mobility
    - education
    - sustainable infrastructure


    It generally takes quite the prodding to get somebody to strap on a bomb. rather than quarantine and treat Muslims as sub humans the best thing you can do is allow for improvement in QoL (Quality of Life). starvation is what will always make humans most aggressive

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    So.... what law is being broken? He's not doing anything illegal. Israeli laws are being followed. UN mandates are not laws and have no bearing.

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    Oh, look, it is soulcrusher's daily dose of propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    Oh, look, it is soulcrusher's daily dose of propaganda.
    Propaganda is why his people are still fighting this 1000 year war

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    Can't but laugh at what has been, and what has not been infracted in this thread.

    Talk about arbitrary.
    've is short for have. C/Sh/Would've or c/sh/would have. Not c/sh/would of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Can't but laugh at what has been, and what has not been infracted in this thread.

    Talk about arbitrary.
    I found that incredibly interesting as well, however, given that commentary on the actions of the moderators isn't allowed I'm loathe to say anything else.

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    I support Israeli expansion and don't believe international "law" saying settlement activity should be stopped has any jurisdiction whatsoever. Go Israel! The way I figure it, the more anti-semites Israel pisses off the better.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-24 at 10:14 PM ----------

    The open and unabashed anti-semitism on this website is really eye-opening. Hitler would be proud of some of the things said here.

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    What is new :s i dont understand why a matter like this deserves a discussion thread.

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    Netanyahu is probably laughing his ass off at all the people "condemning" his actions. OH MAN WORDS ARE LIKE BULLETS THEY HURT SO MUCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandus View Post
    What is new :s i dont understand why a matter like this deserves a discussion thread.
    because certain folks have to loudly, repeatedly and unabashedly have to make their hate for a particular group known. So they take it upon themselves to create and participate in countless threads about effectively the same topic. They are either unwilling or unable to muster the personal fortitude to do something about it, so they come here to tell us how much they hate X. Where as its not hate, they fear X, but they dont want to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    because certain folks have to loudly, repeatedly and unabashedly have to make their hate for a particular group known. So they take it upon themselves to create and participate in countless threads about effectively the same topic. They are either unwilling or unable to muster the personal fortitude to do something about it, so they come here to tell us how much they hate X. Where as its not hate, they fear X, but they dont want to admit it.
    Well written (y)

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