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    Blizzard Biased?

    once again more nerfs for warriors,

    •Shockwave now has a 40 second cooldown (was 20 seconds), striking 3 or more targets
    will reduce its cooldown by 20 seconds.
    There goes warrior control also hurts pve too
    Proction spec keep shockwave at 20second cooldown and for fury and arms shockwave 30second cooldown but also just a thought (optionial) you decided
    maybe the more targets you hit the more damage you do? so it seems less like a utility and more aoe damage base
    now that will be fun.

    •Second Wind now causes a Warrior that has been reduced to 35% health
    or lower to regenerate 2% of their health per second (was 3%), and now generates 15 Rage over 10 seconds
    (was 20 Rage).
    is also the only heal for warriors that is decent, you have trouble killing a warrior time your burst better don't cry about it
    its too good to give up so make it baseline regenerate 2% of their health per second for warriors and make a new talent and put it in second wind's formar place

    See how easy that was? dont worry i did that for free for you blizzard

    Is this going to be the thing when everytime when other classes cry out warriors overpowered blizzard rushes to their aid and nerfs us warriors some more?
    i understand nerfs must be made but i also know there needs to be fairness too
    i pay $15 a month just like everyone else and yet i feel discriminated, lets face it not alot of players play warriors these days with all these nerfs why would they?
    Minority vs majority = majority is victories also get their way
    Warriors are meant to be about control and mobility yet these nerfs undermine that, its a slap in the face
    really.

    Warriors get neglected and nerf for the best interest of the more popular classes, Paladin, warlock,
    priest, druid and deathknight
    And we all know that these are favourite classes also of the blizzard developers themselves
    Warriors barely don't even have their own in game lore compare to shamans, druids, deathknights and paladins
    Apparently warriors are just normal folk that decided to pick up a sword defending where they live

    Everytime warriors get nerf back to back its because of the rest of the community complaining
    So patch after patch warriors get nerf and then get told to shut up and adapt to it. quote "you always got stormbolt", wow what an sorry excuse for a blue after nerfing gag order
    Problem is keep nerfing and there's nothing to adapt to.
    Everytime the warrior players manage to adapt the warrior players become overpowered in their own right
    other classes complain once again

    Warriors are the ones who have to jump through flaming hoops, press more keys, i need a naga mouse just to compete with all these insane macros while other classes get free hand outs shorter cooldowns and bigger burst
    also i have to have a much greater timing to use my abilities or i die, Period!
    opps i popped recklessness before the arena match started, thats not good gulp. gotta wait 5mins

    Ask yourself these questions
    If you had a Friend new to world of warcraft which class would be a strong and fun class to recommend them?
    would not be a warrior that's for sure blizzard has suck the life out of this class,
    i suggest a paladin the best burst, strong self heals, fast, great for kiting and popping those magic bubbles
    and little baby nerfs if any nerfs at all but don't worry you get compensated at least
    They are also good at anything and everything i should know i got one myself
    1on1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 5vs5, world pvp, battlegrounds/ rated battlegrounds yup sounds pretty good to me

    Looks pretty easy to balance that out doesn't it?


    How many more nerfs to come in future patches? i don't know that will depend on how much the community crys about warriors being overpowered

    What will blizzard do to innervate and get warriors on the right direction in the future?, probably nothing

    Can blizzard manage to separate pvp and pve for warriors without hurting pve? that would be a first

    And for those other warriors and other players that say stop complaining, well for the warriors that don't complain about these nerfs that maybe true but are they cheering about these nerfs either?
    that's what i thought!

    As you have notice i am not really happy i have sent enough forums but
    its seems to be going no where about warriors but after seeing the latest
    patch notes i give up and now i don't play my warrior anymore thanks blizzard
    You have driven me away from my main and first character i ever made

    its going to be a long hibernation for him this winter and probably through the end of mist of pandaria too.

    i don't want to hear anymore blue excuses, i want to hear innervations and fairness

    I Rest My Case!

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    Quite frankly those nerfs were really neccesary. Is it fair that PvE gets affected because of PvP? No, not at all - heck, they changed Colossus Smash for PvE and PvP - why not this?

    I'm playing a Warlock, and because of the ridiculousness that is a Warrior right now, I cannot keep them off of me at all. Curse of Exhaustion? Hah!

    • Charge.
    • Shockwave.
    • Faceraped.
    • ?
    • Dead.

    Okay, so Curse of Exhaustion doesn't work - so why don't you fear him?

    • /Cast Fear
    • /Berserker Rage
    • /Immune to fear
    • ?
    • Dead

    Second Wind was pretty ridiculous on its own as well. Sadly, if you cannot see the overpoweredness of your own class, something is wrong. Sure, two-shotting people is fun for you. Try being on the other side of that. I'll tell you what. Play a Warlock. See how you'll enjoy being unable to get a Warrior off of you, and getting trashed in a few seconds (unless Dark Bargain's up). See how you like the current Chaos Waves we got, the current Chaos Bolt - and the incoming 5.2 Blood Fear nerf. Bottom line? Some nerfs are neccesary, and this was definitely neccesary for Warriors.

    Also, for you complaining about the lack of lore on warriors...what do you expect? It's nothing fancy. It's a guy/woman with a shield & sword, or a massive axe/hammer - smashing things. Nothing magical or anything.
    Last edited by Number Eighteen; 2012-12-23 at 10:50 PM.

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    Garrosh and Varian are warriors, they get a ton of lore this expansion.
    In PVP we'll be fine. The nerfs hurt but we'll still be fine.

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    Yeah, yeah. Blizzard sucks for listening to stupid idiotic whiners. What else is new.
    Warriors will always be okay with the start of every expansion. But after the start, you can put them on the shelf until the next addon hits.
    As of 5.2 "I can't kill a warrior" - will say no one ever.
    Mark my word. Even a green 90 without any skill will be able to kill a warrior. Guess that is his role in pvp - be a fucking doll for killing.

    I can't really imagine what idiots would even think about playing with warriors in 5.2 in arenas

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    being a priest Ive been a free kill vs pve geared warrs in my full pvp gear. Its not fun at all not being able to cast a single spell except 1 dot cos Im stun/silence/interupt locked
    Also...Its been more than once that Second Wind has outhealed a full dot up on a warr for me. Yes, it needed a slight nerf. Slight, not full nerf ofc
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaziOfTheSkies View Post
    being a priest Ive been a free kill vs pve geared warrs in my full pvp gear. Its not fun at all not being able to cast a single spell except 1 dot cos Im stun/silence/interupt locked
    Also...Its been more than once that Second Wind has outhealed a full dot up on a warr for me. Yes, it needed a slight nerf. Slight, not full nerf ofc
    I guess those were duels, because a priest not able to kill a warrior in 3v3 is something I have never heard of.

    And if Second Wind is bad for priests, I guess your off-healing is bad for everyone else, yet I don't see them nerfing hybrid-spec healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headswillroll View Post
    I guess those were duels, because a priest not able to kill a warrior in 3v3 is something I have never heard of.

    And if Second Wind is bad for priests, I guess your off-healing is bad for everyone else, yet I don't see them nerfing hybrid-spec healing.
    You didnt know? They already did nerf it, most likely to recieve more nerfs since yes, its still a bit overpowered. And lol, touchy subject for you is it?

    And, yes Ive seen warrs do that in both arena, world pvp and bgs. Personally I think Second Wind should be something to counter ranged, not completly outheal them. I play a warr as well so cant say Im fully biased, only a bit...in both ways
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    Actually, I would probably say Warrior for somebody new, look at the alternatives.
    One cannot simply quit wow his way into Mordor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaziOfTheSkies View Post
    You didnt know? They already did nerf it, most likely to recieve more nerfs since yes, its still a bit overpowered. And lol, touchy subject for you is it?

    And, yes Ive seen warrs do that in both arena, world pvp and bgs. Personally I think Second Wind should be something to counter ranged, not completly outheal them. I play a warr as well so cant say Im fully biased, only a bit...in both ways
    Never have I survived thanks to second wind in 3v3. Never seen a warrior survive thanks to second wind. It's either the healer ups you, or you die. Heck, I even killed warrior when we were 1 on 1 left in 3v3. I have never seen people really having problems with it, but for some reason, a lot of people whine on forums. Gives an impression that people just don't like the tooltip, and whine about it.
    And yeah, it is a touchy subject for me, because the only class I enjoy playing is warrior, and I am kinda disappointed that warrior have a lot of anti-classes, yet for no class a warrior is anti-class. Any class can easily defeat a warrior. Well, except for newbs, obviously - but this is changed as well, thanks to 5.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headswillroll View Post
    Never have I survived thanks to second wind in 3v3. Never seen a warrior survive thanks to second wind. It's either the healer ups you, or you die. Heck, I even killed warrior when we were 1 on 1 left in 3v3. I have never seen people really having problems with it, but for some reason, a lot of people whine on forums. Gives an impression that people just don't like the tooltip, and whine about it.
    And yeah, it is a touchy subject for me, because the only class I enjoy playing is warrior, and I am kinda disappointed that warrior have a lot of anti-classes, yet for no class a warrior is anti-class. Any class can easily defeat a warrior. Well, except for newbs, obviously - but this is changed as well, thanks to 5.2.
    Call others newbs if you like, but we all have our own exp and view on things dont we? And from what Ive seen of warrs they can do a LOT more than you seem to think. Even in my guilds rbgs we've faced teams with 2 dps warrs killing our (fully geared) healers in less than 10 secs. Im not saying we are NOT to be blamed for this since we with our last setups havent been able to counter this but no other classes have managed to do it... (This being warriors burst, not SW related) On warrs having anti classes I guess I can agree, but warrs are also one of the most common co op classes for several xpacks no?
    Strangely my guilds warr is really happy with the changes, This is what he said on my guilds forum:

    "Nerfed?

    Taste for blood got buffed. It is currently a 1 stack 100% dmg increase on heroic strike, it will now proc more overpowers at a steadier rate, which have a crit rate of 72% for me and cannot be dodged or parried. Also a buff to slam damage for more filler as we won't use heroic anymore. My burst remains the same as I don't rely on TFB.

    Shockwave is slightly annoying but I'll live.

    Second wind, people say it's OP but I never relied on that either , I just assumed I'm gonna die so bleh. Anyway, Enraged Regen looks tasty now the cost is reduced.

    In all honesty the biggest thing that anoys me is the shield barrier reduction for PvE.


    I've played warrior for a long time now and eaten far worse nerfs than this, come at me Blizz."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaziOfTheSkies View Post
    Call others newbs if you like, but we all have our own exp and view on things dont we? And from what Ive seen of warrs they can do a LOT more than you seem to think. Even in my guilds rbgs we've faced teams with 2 dps warrs killing our (fully geared) healers in less than 10 secs. Im not saying we are NOT to be blamed for this since we with our last setups havent been able to counter this but no other classes have managed to do it... (This being warriors burst, not SW related) On warrs having anti classes I guess I can agree, but warrs are also one of the most common co op classes for several xpacks no?
    Strangely my guilds warr is really happy with the changes, This is what he said on my guilds forum:

    "Nerfed?

    Taste for blood got buffed. It is currently a 1 stack 100% dmg increase on heroic strike, it will now proc more overpowers at a steadier rate, which have a crit rate of 72% for me and cannot be dodged or parried. Also a buff to slam damage for more filler as we won't use heroic anymore. My burst remains the same as I don't rely on TFB.

    Shockwave is slightly annoying but I'll live.

    Second wind, people say it's OP but I never relied on that either , I just assumed I'm gonna die so bleh. Anyway, Enraged Regen looks tasty now the cost is reduced.

    In all honesty the biggest thing that anoys me is the shield barrier reduction for PvE.


    I've played warrior for a long time now and eaten far worse nerfs than this, come at me Blizz."
    say what you want but the 2nd wind nerf was uncalled for.only bad pvpers had problems killing warriors threw 2nd wind.rage regen still sucks,and everyone will still take 2nd wind.hopefully with new gear with more stam on it,it off sets the 2nd wind nerf.

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    Buffs to tfb (buff? lol. it got nerfed from 5 stacks) and slam are useless right now with the currents bursts. They should nerf the burst, and buff stable damage.
    Warrior is about mobility, and sticking to the target. Not fucking bursts. But from what I've seen since cbt, they nerf the hell out of warriors mobility. Pvp set bonus? Removed. Avatar? Nerfed. Charge talents? Ridiculously lame. I remember Ghostcrawler saying that warrior is about mobility, but for some reason I can never stick to mage, druid, hunter (dafuq is with that web for 6 seconds), paladin (freedom thingy), priest (cloud and a vanish. vanish. for a priest. and the tentacles.) etc etc. Warriors should not have burst damage, they should have higher mobility and more tunneling damage. But stupid blizzard doesn't understand that, and makes everything in opposite. Removing mobility and control. ( will a warrior be able to stick on someone in 5.2? doubt it.) And buffing useless abilities like slam and that... Throwing bolt thing. Storm bolt or something. Making glyphs useless. Right now, warriors have the most USELESS glyphs out of all classes. fucking-useless. and they keep nerfing them.

    Right now it is no problem to kite a warrior, it is no problem to control him, it is no problem to counter his bursts ( only below 1500 people do not control and use disarm even, after 1500 a warrior will never be allowed to use his bursts. if he is, then the opposite team made a mistake somewhere. THIS is the problem. it's not warriors, it the people who lose one fight against them, and then go whining on forums )

    Your guildie is a blind optimist, because when 5.2 will hit live, he will feel the pain hitting both on the head, and the ass.
    And no, being "tough" and saying warriors had worse times doesn't help the case.
    Last edited by Headswillroll; 2012-12-24 at 01:03 AM.

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    Name one class that can out counter a warrior that's not a mage.

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    Holy crap the QQ here is deafening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talindra View Post
    Name one class that can out counter a warrior that's not a mage.
    Every class except for shaman maybe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skarssen View Post
    Holy crap the QQ here is deafening
    It is exactly the same when people QQ about being killed by warriors, and wanted nerfs. Ironic, isn't it.

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    Blizzard has always nerfed OP classes when it comes to PvP. They nerfed ret pallies. They nerfed the hell out of BM hunters, changing the very core of a spell that had been left untouched since vanilla (BW). They've nerfed DK healing, they've nerfed offspec healing in general. Etc etc etc.

    So, while being nerfed isn't fun, its hardly because of Blizz being 'biased' against warriors. To assume as much is dumb. You don't have a successful product by targeting and intentionally pissing off a large % of its player base out of personal bias.

    And Blizz has access to exponentially more data than you guys do, or are even aware of. When they can see consistent trends in that data (trends that can't even exist until expansions/patches are in the hands of the entire player base) they take action. They don't see a few whiny forum posts, assume that's golden and nerf people. If anything, the forums might make them look at particular things, but they don't come to work and see a 'NERF WARRS THeY R POWERFUL' post and go herpderp okay! Notice Second Wind has been untouched until 5.2? 5.2 will arrive 5-6 months after Mists arrived, that is not a 'knee-jerk' nerf.
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    I play a Warrior and I think Blizz have been rather good on the nerfs so far. We are one of the strongest in PVP atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    I play a Warrior and I think Blizz have been rather good on the nerfs so far. We are one of the strongest in PVP atm.
    Agreed for the most part. I play several warriors, I'd be a fool to deny how powerful they are atm in some regards.

    The only nerf that irks me is the glyph of Heroic Leap. I know the glyph was too good (damage increase and reduction in cooldown) but I do hope they bake the damage in.

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    I'm more shocked people didn't expect this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inboundpaper View Post
    I'm more shocked people didn't expect this.
    I'm more shocked people expect warriors to be the lamest class that anyone can destroy without any gear or skill. Oh wait, I'm not shocked. People have been stupid about this topic for a long time already.

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