I think this is a good idea
i think this is a bad idea
I am undecided
I would come back to the game to try this
If this was implemented i would not try this
DDO: Feels dated and reading changes made it's not receiving much actual content.
EQ2: Again feels horribly dated and from what I got it's player base isn't all that impressive.
Vanguard & Age of Conan: Last I heard either was far from popular
DCUO & APB: Doesn't fit the genre really.
The rest I have little to no knowledge about.
For all the supposed success in the free to play transitions we sure don't get a lot of numbers that proves that long term success, something you would think at least a couple of those developers would mention, the best I seen has been early numbers showing percentage increases in players and revenue, numbers that mean nothing without hard numbers to base those percentages on.
Story, WoW wins hands down.
Controls, Rift is a sluggish, slow, clunky game. While WoW has the most Fluid control in any MMORPG to date.
you Despise our mentally yet u completely ignore how Delusional and messed up the RIFT player base is for even THINKING they are playing the superior game.
I am willing to let your rabid delusion pass but when you're shoving them in my face, I feel obligated to put you in your place.
Very annoying how elitest and ignorant people like you are.
think about this for a second, if rift was as well perceived by gamers as u feel it is, how come their sub numbers fell and their server were shut down?
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Gamers are too obsessed with the death of games. Imagine if all that energy was channeled into the LIFE of games.
I'm going to shut this game vs. game debate down right now before it gets out of hand and gets the thread closed. So stop it please. Opinions are opinions.
the problem isnt the game themselves but the fact that people compare subscription bases to wow. when wow launched the largest mmo currently out was everquest.. the most players it EVER had at a single time was 250,000 (you can look this up from quoted numbers from the company) .. this was considered a success in MMO's. wow launched with 2 1/2 million players on day 1. it blew blizzard out of the water which is why for the next few months we were having constant server issues and free days put on our accounts .. i state this because you need to put into perspective that wow hit with the right amount of hype, and change in the MMO genre to pull players out of all those earlier listed game.. yes despite all its flaws wow offered an obviously better experience... what mmo's today havnt done is offer a better experiance than wow. this is the reason they havnt pushed into the same realm of subscriptions. if you offer the same playstyle or simular then you more than likly wont grow based on content alone.. it has to be better than what players are currently playing to pull them away.. 500-2million is excellent for a mmo a smaller group of servers with 10k players each is just fine as long as we the players have the tools and ability to come together.
Eh. Any model can work if you do it right.
I love the F2P model, personally. I would love to see more games use it, especially the ones I play (although most the games I do play f2p).
Swtor is an example of how to not do F2P.
I think trion would know not to do what swtor did.
But then again, is it worth the risk when rift is not only amazing but growing as is?
If it ain't broke... why fix it?
Not to mention. Rift offers crazy deals on subscription fees and a way to get tons of free months.
So of the subscription model games, its probably the least stupid I have ever seen.
(That's coming from someone who hates the subscription model.)
Don't mess with it unless trion really shows us it can do a good model like lotro or dcuo.
Level 85 (WoW) Rogue, Mage, Priest, Hunter, Warlock, Warrior, Death Knight, Paladin, Druid, Shaman
Level 50 (Swtor) Agent, Warrior, Knight, Inquisitor, Trooper, Consular, Smuggler, Hunter
60 Rogue (Rift) 15/15 Battleframes (Firefall) 80 Thief (GW2)
i personally think wow would benifit from a better free to play model. wow + previous expansions should be free to play.. current expansion (MOP) should be subscription based. as wow continues to grow older it will sell less and less. a model such as this gives those who want a chance to play or hang out with old friends the chance to do so. while also being just on the edge of enticing them to subscribe. the way wow's model stands right now .. level 20 really isnt that much of an experience to entice people to play.. you want these people making friends and want to experiance the newer things, to honeslty become addicted to your game the same way most of us were when we first started.. this is how you grow as the game gets older.. no restrictions.. just free to play and download for everything but the current expansion.. i think we would see a population explosion as new players and old come back just to say hi to thier friends and "check things out" who knows.. some may even subscribe.
Sorry if this response is frowned upon, but fuck cash shops. Fuck them all. This is a subscription game. This game is challenging, well designed, well updated. Just putting in a cash shop is going to effect one or all of those qualities. If this game ever goes free to play and has a cash shop, my MMO soul will basically be dead.
Rift is a good MMO atm because it's making money, if we want it to stay that way and get better they need more money. I'll keep paying my sub. F2P = dead games
Despite WoW having more subscribers, I feel that they're offerring less than Rift as value on the subscription. Until it becomes a necessity, Rift should stay sub based as it allows steady funding for the content they're delivering.
You missed a major poll option that Rift would need if it should thrive; "would you be willing to try out Rift for your first time if it went F2P"?
The F2P model undoubtedly works for MMORPGs, and I personally have never tried Rift but I definitely would if it did go F2P.
I'm personally against it. I rather much prefer a subscription cost than the developers having to make a bloated cash shop in order to get the revenue needed to keep developing at the pace they do (and Trion bring out patches and content quicker than you can say 'omgwhenisthenextpatch!'). While even subscription based MMO's are implementing cash shops the last years (like WoW, and Rift has a Tiger mount you can buy), it's no where near as "bad" as free to play MMO's.
Take The Secret World for example. Now they've removed the mandatory subscription fee, you can buy potions that increase your experience gain for a set amount of time, with a cooldown. In otherwords, the more money you spend the quicker you gain Ability Points etc. I don't want Rift heading down the "pay2win" road.
Now I know this is not what you mentioned in your post OP, you're more talking about a free 1-49, but at the end of the day, what's the point of leveling all the way to 49 if you don't plan to pay to be able to get to max level? A free 1-20 (what we currently have) is a big difference than a free 1-49.
That's utter nonsense.Take The Secret World for example. Now they've removed the mandatory subscription fee, you can buy potions that increase your experience gain for a set amount of time, with a cooldown. In otherwords, the more money you spend the quicker you gain Ability Points etc. I don't want Rift heading down the "pay2win" road.
Firstly, Rift has no comparable system least Trion invent one to sell for profit. An unlikely prospect. Secondly, it should be of no concern to other players the speed or ease by which another comes to the a given threshold in game.
Rift has PA levels, for example, but each individual level is an extremely minor increase in power at best. Even then, it's quite easy to only have experience boosts apply to leveling experience and not PA experience. Getting to 60 super fast is great and all, but you still have to grind out the dungeons and IS's to get gear, and that's something you can't really effectively do by yourself.