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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Booshman View Post
    All this belief does is say that "because conservatives don't like it" (debatable) that race and racism won't exist as concepts in society if they choose not to acknowledge it. Which is denying reality, for their crafted feel good version of it, because race often comes into play with many things. It's lying to yourself and choosing cowardice, because instead of actually working to remove these labels, they pretend that the current ones just don't exist altogether.
    As long as people look or act different from one another you will never weed out predjudice. Its a fact that we attack the different always. Nerds vs jocks, black white, gay straight, the minority will always be shunned. You can try to sweep it under the rug with rules and regulations but it wont change. Id reather just deal with it as society sees fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    As long as people look or act different from one another you will never weed out predjudice. Its a fact that we attack the different always. Nerds vs jocks, black white, gay straight, the minority will always be shunned. You can try to sweep it under the rug with rules and regulations but it wont change. Id reather just deal with it as society sees fit.
    Oh, I should have worded that better. I meant the stigma attached to those labels. Not the labeled themselves. Stigmas change more easily than labels.

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    This thread is funny.

    You have the standard political scale with 4 poles and different political ideologies that fall all over the map. Then you have a simple "left" or "right" with the Left being total control over a group and the Right being no control over a group.

    So, the person(s) in charge of Westboro have total control of the group, so based on the scale, it is "left wing".

    This isn't FoxNews blaming democrats. It's a political scale that's used in D.C. Politics all the time.

    And for those of you who say FoxNews is laughable (Hannity and O'reilly can be) MSNBC and CNN are just as laughable. All 3 stations bend and lie for their agenda. Which is why I don't really watch any of them. Jake Tapper of ABC and Bret Baier of Fox News are probably the only 2 true journalists still left out there.

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    American denominations are confusing.. why are the liberals the ones who want more government interventionnism ?

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    Sorry but I can't seem to take any of the Americans news outlets seriously as all of them seem to be extremely biased towards one side or another or try to push there own agenda.

    I have seen some completely crazy stuff on fox news, hell I saw one where they showed this guy had a alien in his house and fox thought it was real. I can't see why people even pays attention to this.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    Let's see, anti-gay marriage, pro-life, anti-science. Yeah, that sure sounds like the left wing to me!
    Dirty liberal left-wings, no doubt !

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    I'm a conservative and a Republican, and I can assure you, these nut jobs are not a conservative church, or even a church at all for that matter.

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    There is nothing left wing about them, But funny to see that there is some extreme right wing crap that is even to toxic for FOX to back.

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    Amazing how retarded Fox News can be.
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  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Khoranth View Post
    Extreme right-wing means small/no government, like libertarians, and even further still anarchists, are extreme right wing.

    Extreme left-wing means lots of government control, like Nazis and communists.
    Did you just call anarchists right-wing and nazis left-wing in the very same post?

    What.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algearond View Post
    I'm a conservative and a Republican, and I can assure you, these nut jobs are not a conservative church, or even a church at all for that matter.
    Objectively, you cannot deny that they are a church unless you set definite parameters on what a church is. Also, they are extreme conservatives, far beyond what any Republican believes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Objectively, you cannot deny that they are a church unless you set definite parameters on what a church is. Also, they are extreme conservatives, far beyond what any Republican believes.
    They have what liberals see as extreme right wing views on social things, but whatever his name is considers himself democrat for ecconimic views. Thats all they are saying , its a pun. That even with their views they are willing to vote democrat to get more free stuff from the government. This is what it is, because of the fiscal cliff they are lumping them in with the free stuff liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    Did you just call anarchists right-wing and nazis left-wing in the very same post?

    What.
    Yes. Because based on the actual political scale used by large governments; left=total control & right=no control.


    Again this thread is funny just because of huge lack of information by people in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    Did you just call anarchists right-wing and nazis left-wing in the very same post?

    What.
    Just demonstrates how the left-right scale is discontinuous. Nationalists advocate government control (because sovereignism) yet are considered far-right, because of their opinions on societal issues. In fact the stance on strangers is perhaps the only thing separating the nationalists from the commies here..
    Meanwhile the center-right are more liberal than the rest and the ecologists struggle to find out if they're actually close to the left or not.

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    Yes. Because based on the actual political scale used by large governments; left=total control & right=no control.


    Again this thread is funny just because of huge lack of information by people in this thread.

    And right and left wing aren't defined solely by their stance on government control. There is a very good reason why we consider nazism far-right and anarchism far-left, unless I was constantly lied to throughout my education from primary school to university.

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    This whole debate could be resolved if you considered this:

    Let's say for the sake of the argument, that WBC are left-wingers.

    So what? Does it say anything about any other left-wing person? No, it does not. It's only your prejudice that gets in the way and ever so slightly attribute this kind of crazy to left-wingers. For the non-critical thinkers out there, this will fly over their heads and appeal directly to their per-conceived prejudices.; and I imagine that those groups of people must be rather large if Fox News can still air things like this.

    Either ignore and move on, or better; call them (Fox News) out for their sensationalist hyperbole.

    I try to think like this: I want to get to know you, what your thoughts and ideas are about various political and what not issues. By doing this I try to suppress my prejudice and in turn get a broader knowledge overall; if I did opposite and just lump people into groups I would be ignorant & less knowledgeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    And right and left wing aren't defined solely by their stance on government control. There is a very good reason why we consider nazism far-right and anarchism far-left, unless I was constantly lied to throughout my education from primary school to university.
    in terms of government control, where the government has some sort of control (even over social issues like marriage), the scale is linear left to right. You are taking the term left and applying it to liberal. The words liberal and conservative aren't used on that scale. Though people like to superimpose those words over it.

    Facism, Nazism and a monarchy (to some extent) are left.

    FoxNews called them left. Which is correct. FoxNews did not call them liberal. Don't confuse that.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Amazing how retarded Fox News can be.
    Shock headlines and storys are why there beating their closest competitor by 10x. People watch reality tv shows and that singing crap, there are much more retarded things on the "television".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    LOL. So there is a such thing as too crazy for the GOP.
    Sorry, mate, couldn't help but notice your signature:
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    Well, what about your family? Your taking of drugs harms them in many, many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
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    I found this one delightful. Is calling the WBC left-wing Fox' way of saying "Even we don't want anything to do with you guys"? I usually avoid Fox so I can't really tell: Is the degree of misinformation always this bad, or is this one an extreme example?
    You (in general) don't have to be an athiest to be democrat or republican. Same goes for any god believer, but this group has shown time and time again that they spout hate similiar to Obama's old pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Clearly as much hate as the Ayatollah.

    Fox News is biased on a lot of things. As CNN and the rest are too. This is not new.
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