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    Some charities help, but if you read "Dead aid" by Dambisa Moyo (hope I spelled that right), you realize that sometimes we hurt the people we set out to help..

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    Personally I think they're typically being run very poorly, and a lot more work could be done to improve them, but they are run and operated typically by un-paid volunteers who have also got jobs & families.

    What I don't tolerate or like is the religious association of nonsense (No offense) I have to put up with to support charities. I give a lot of my money to various charities through donations, but even when they come to the door I tend to give what I can, what I don't like though is how they feel the need to press their views and thoughts about the situation on me.

    I've been told before by various members of different charities, that I need to hear "the worlds of our lord, before you can donate Sir". So, I just slammed the door shut on their face. They need to be run more efficiently, and with less religious association to those not interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saffi View Post
    Some charities help, but if you read "Dead aid" by Dambisa Moyo (hope I spelled that right), you realize that sometimes we hurt the people we set out to help..
    "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
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    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
    Well, that saying is true enough, but that's not really what the book is about. It's more about the fact that we are telling them to make/do things that doesn't actually help them. Things that they do not need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
    Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
    - Catta

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    Y'know what'd be better than charity? If businesses could afford to hire the people who need help! /mittromneyhat

    Charity's nice but seems too centralized/inefficient.

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    What the hell is with these *Odd Thread* titles?
    Quote Originally Posted by Raferis
    Who the hell is so vain that they make one of their own quotes their signature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    Yes, it is. Some societies aren't stuck in the 'Me-me-me' attitude that so per-veils certain countries. The only reason there is not such a strong push for it in America, because the poor in America see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, instead of the poor of society; due to the ridiculous notion of 'The American Dream', which never really existed in any real sense.
    Freedom is individual citizens deciding if they want to be me me me or if they want to give to charity to help the poor. Being told you WILL pay taxes that WILL be given to someone else that you dont get to decide for yourself if they deserve help or not that some old people in the government think deserve it more than you is NOT freedom. I will vote for Freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Salvation army pushes its christianity agenda to the people they help. So do a few other christian based charities, which really isn't what a charity should be about.
    If you dont like it, you dont have to accept their help.

    Also just handing people money is a waste of money. Perhaps the charities should be using donations to teach people how to earn their own money. Like the old adage goes. You give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he will never be hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If you dont like it, you dont have to accept their help.
    For a child that hasn't eaten anything for let's say...10 days..not accepting that help is not an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
    - Catta
    Set your ass on FIRE

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    It's the state's responsibility to help the truly poor in my opinion. Charity should be for other special causes, not a whole class of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    If you dont like it, you dont have to accept their help.
    I believe he was pointing out the predatory behavior of certain religious charities.

    And it's not like anyone would rather starve to death than to be taught that religion X is true.
    To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
    I’m not that arrogant.

    The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.

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    I will vote for Freedom every time!
    Which is just empty rhetoric. Taxes are a necessary part of society, and as a part of society, you have to contribute to it. Part of those taxes will be used to help the less fortunate in society, because with poverty comes a whole mess of problems. A lot people learned this a century or so ago, mainstream America has sat in a bubble for the most part. You'll learn eventually.
    Last edited by Istaril; 2012-12-26 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
    - Catta
    I love it.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    It depends on the charity... thats like saying are all politicians useless, or are all companies evil, or are all wow players douchebags :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    Rofl. I just fell out,of my chair. Really, so putting a country into debt to help many not willing to help themselves shows greatness? Your either poor or rich, because normal people work their ass off just to get by, while scum leaches off us until we are dry.
    So everyone who doesn't has a job is scum? This is so wrong I don't even know where to start...
    So people with cancer are scum? people who can't get work due to circumstances? People who got screwed by insurance companies/banks? People who lost their job due to the crisis? There are a loads of examples

    And you believe this puts a country in debt? I think you don't have a clue about the real world.
    I think you don't even have a job our pay taxes, because of the childish way you respond.

    -Edit-

    I do however think there are charities that do it wrong. But this is more often then not the donaters fault, inform yourselves about the charity you are about to donate to. Because a lot of people have a bad consience and just donate to donate.
    There are a lot of very good charities out there, you should donate to those, not to people who come begging at your door (not to say there are no good door-to-door charities, but by donating blind you encourage false charities and corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    It's the state's responsibility to help the truly poor in my opinion.
    Not applicable in corrupt third world places like africa where the money is going. Looks good on paper though

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    It's the state's responsibility to help the truly poor in my opinion. Charity should be for other special causes, not a whole class of people.
    Of course it is, consider what the lives of millions of people were like before the advent of social welfare programs (pre-WWII). Another way of looking at it is to see what exactly makes us a first world country (welfare programs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Not applicable in corrupt third world places like africa where the money is going. Looks good on paper though
    They are corrupted because their governments and cultures have been manipulated by larger first world countries, hell even larger religions (Sudan, Somalia).

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    Hey wnyirishguy, are you using a translator to speak in English? Just curious because sometimes its abit hard to read your threads without getting a headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Its not the responsibility of the citizens of a country to forcibly help the poor through taxes. Thats what charities, churches, and families are for. If charities are wasting money or not using it for what donors intended then perhaps the government should shut them down but it should absolutely NOT be something that citizens are FORCED to provide via taxes. We are already becoming overpopulated due to skirting natural selection. Eventually we will have too many people and too little food.
    It is though. I don't really agree with it, but most of the world seems pretty socialist when it comes to those things.

    I get taxed 50% by the government because they think I can afford to pay that much. It's quite disgusting really.

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