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    Anyone raiding as Frost in Heroic Content?

    Hey guys, wondering if raiding as Frost is bad? I know the big push is Arcane, but just not a fan of the play style. My guild is starting up Heroic MSV and I don't want to be a liability DPS wise. So my options are Frost or Fire.. help and povs would be great..

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    Frost is viable, but like you already mentioned Arcane is the top notch. So unless your guild is a min/maxing one or if you dont care about your contribution then Frost is totally viable, and Arcane is the way to go if you wanna contribute the most/ you're an min&maxing guild
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    I really don´t like the word "viable"! Output of frost is worlds behind arcane and still pretty decent behind fire.

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    I'm raiding as Arcane and Frost at the moment. Frost is perfectly fine and you won't be a liability DPS-wise.

    Some MSV HC specific tips I can offer you though:

    Stone Guard - Glyph Ice lance and Fire Blast. I personally take Living Bomb for this fight and spread with Fire blast, natural cleave with Ice Lance. Just keep Invocation up (If you take it). Pet freeze on the 2 dogs together and you'll have to FoF procs which is always nice.

    Feng - Nothing really much to say here, I do this as arcane. But Frozen Orb will grant alot of FoF procs on shield phase. Ice lance glyph will increase your damage also (but only in shield phase). Take temporal Shield and you can 'eat' the Lightning Fist and blink out the stun/heal yourself back up. This will increase Raid DPS by quite a margin as you won't have to heal an epicentre and all your DPS can carry on through it, granted, if your tank uses the reversal on Lightning fist.

    Gara'jal - Again, I do this arcane. But Ice lance glyph could be useful along with pet freeze for clearing adds quite fast.

    Four Kings - Again, ice lance Glyph is good! Be wary when you use it though as it can proc shields, same with Frozen Orb (from experience). Use your pet freeze Correctly with 2 bosses up for double FoF charges. I can't really think of anything else on this fight. Just don't hit the wrong things!

    Elegon - Clever use of Frozen Orb/freeze during Sparks makes your add a doddle with the Fingers of Frost procs. I also swear by using Greater Invis to soak a Total Annihilation. Can't think of any other tips off the top of my head. This is mainly just an execution fight, with a slight DPS check.

    Will of the Emperor - Watch out for freezing rages if melee are nearby as they could be targeted. Ring of Frost is damned useful! I throw Nether Tempest on everything and anything. Incanter's Ward and Temporal shield on CD are really good here (especially with cauterize if soaking).

    They are the basic tips I can give from the top of my head and hopefully will be useful for you as you start progressing. Good luck!

    Edit: Ignore citizenpete. Frost is perfectly fine! Feng is probably the best fight to gauge a classes damage and here is the average damage done in both 10 and 25 Heroic.

    10 Hc - http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Feng_...00000000000000

    25 Hc - http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Feng_...00000000000000
    Last edited by Utsegi; 2012-12-21 at 07:55 PM. Reason: Raidbot Links

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    I'm the only raiding frost mage in my guild (Storm on Gilneas US), the other three are arcane. Currently 6/16 Heroics. I haven't had any issues staying competitive on most fights, the exception being Blade Lord (I seem to just be inherantly bad at that fight). I currently have 15 top 100 frost mage parses on WoL. The gap might be more clear if the whole raid was in full heroic gear, but at this point frost is doing just fine.

    You can check out logs here: worldoflogs (dot) com/guilds/26507/

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    First week after the big fire nerf I went dual spec frost/arcane and went frost most fights. The next week I went arcane for all fights except H Will of the emperor and had better results as arcane.
    If you play it correctly you will pull better DPS as Arcane, except for Will of the emperor where we really need the AoE.
    And I'd go for Frost Bomb over Nether Tempest for Will for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartuk View Post
    First week after the big fire nerf I went dual spec frost/arcane and went frost most fights. The next week I went arcane for all fights except H Will of the emperor and had better results as arcane.
    If you play it correctly you will pull better DPS as Arcane, except for Will of the emperor where we really need the AoE.
    And I'd go for Frost Bomb over Nether Tempest for Will for sure.
    I went frost until I got enough gear without crit on it for arcane to be effective, I just made the switch this week. I'm doing fine as both, my arcane could be better, but I'll go ahead and make the excuse that I'm new to it. If it isn't fire, it doesn't really matter what spec I am. I absofuckinglutely hate both of them.

    http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Arthas/shmek/

    Just for comparisons sake, that's 2 weeks of frost and 1 week of arcane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsegi View Post
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    Edit: Ignore citizenpete. Frost is perfectly fine! Feng is probably the best fight to gauge a classes damage and here is the average damage done in both 10 and 25 Heroic.

    10 Hc - http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Feng_...00000000000000

    25 Hc - http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Feng_...00000000000000
    Ignore yourself, cause you are not capable of anything

    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...00000000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...00000000000000



    *Edit* Didn´t know wowheroes, very nice page shmeh. Thank you
    Last edited by citizenpete; 2012-12-21 at 09:10 PM.

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    I find the flexibility, mobility, survivability and most of all fun of Frost amazing for heroics. Not done many (working on 5th) though so maybe it changes later on but I doubt it. I was Arcane for a bit but I just found with the short duration on charges and the amount of movement on most of the fights made it difficult to manage and not particularly fun, though the DPS was high. Frost in comparison I find pretty amazing for movement with the frequent procs on Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost and ways to proc it if movement's coming up (Freeze or Orb).

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    Frost is not that fun anymore imho. It was so great during cata, even if the damage wasn´t that good (execpt for a short time period with the T12 4p), but it was always fun to play. Now its less fun and the dmg is still bad compared to every other class/spec

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenpete View Post
    Ignore yourself, cause you are not capable of anything

    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...00000000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa...00000000000000



    *Edit* Didn´t know wowheroes, very nice page shmeh. Thank you
    Ignore myself? Even if I stupidly drunk atm. Using 'Overall DPS' on raidbots is kinda silly as it takes into account Gimmick and non Gimmick fights for certain classes which will vary the DPS numbers. Also, linking raidbots over a 2 month span is stupid as it inflates Fire's numbers when we was OP just after 5.1. I'm not saying Fire is redundant at all but to say Frost isn't 'viable' at all for Heroic raiding shows you are 1) Deluded and 2) You don't know your class properly.

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    I will be. I'm hoping that the overall 10% buff to frostbolt (taken off the debuff so minus 15%, but they increase damage and scaling by 25%, so 10% increase total) will put frost back on the radar with regard to single target.

    I also wish we had some form of continuous AoE outside of the mage bombs. Frozen Orb is sexy as hell.....for ten seconds.

    Overall very happy to see the Single Target buff via Frostbolt; however, i'm not sure how much that will really be. I'd guess a 3-5% increase at most. Still, anytime i'm beneath someone on the charts, it's by that much. If water jet is as good as I hope it will be (an increase over using waterbolt), then frost single target is looking pretty good. But it doesn't look like we will get Water Jet for 5.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsegi View Post
    Ignore myself? Even if I stupidly drunk atm. Using 'Overall DPS' on raidbots is kinda silly as it takes into account Gimmick and non Gimmick fights for certain classes which will vary the DPS numbers. Also, linking raidbots over a 2 month span is stupid as it inflates Fire's numbers when we was OP just after 5.1. I'm not saying Fire is redundant at all but to say Frost isn't 'viable' at all for Heroic raiding shows you are 1) Deluded and 2) You don't know your class properly.
    Deluded? Go switch time span, and learn that nothing changes, because "sample period" matters here. Damn, you are really not useful for anything. I am sorry for you! (Not in a"I pity you" way) I think we reached the point, were we should stop "discussing".

    Infracted.
    Last edited by Shangalar; 2012-12-23 at 11:33 AM.

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    I'm playing frost and we are starting with hardmodes atm (currently 3/16). Currently I'm totally comepetetive to all my guild mates. I love the mobility and the burst you can do with frost I think for most of the non hardcore raiders it's just the best to play the spec you're most comfortable with, because in most cases this will be the spec you're doing the most damage with.

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    13/16 25H done as frost, and I intend to finish the tier. I find our arcane mage tends to beat me on any static fights, but as soon as movement is introduced, I'm way above him. He also outgears me a bit, so whatever. Play what you like, but play it well.

    I see a couple of wow-heroes links, so here. http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Stormrage/kuni/

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    raiding by frost only on Will of the Emperror, think this is the best spec for this encounter ) on Tsulong H also the best choise is frost
    on all others encounters i use fire

    here's my old logs from Will
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d...=12333&e=12951 with nether tempest
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...?s=8662&e=9270 with frost bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuni Zyrekai View Post
    13/16 25H done as frost, and I intend to finish the tier. I find our arcane mage tends to beat me on any static fights, but as soon as movement is introduced, I'm way above him. He also outgears me a bit, so whatever. Play what you like, but play it well.

    I see a couple of wow-heroes links, so here. http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Stormrage/kuni/
    and.. btw yours dps by frost very shitty
    Last edited by Ardolas; 2012-12-23 at 11:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardolas View Post
    and.. btw yours dps by frost very shitty
    As compared to... what? Grats on being 10k higher than me on H Will? Consider that I haven't touched MSV since we cleared H Will the first time. I was in blues and a handful of epics, not going and facerolling the place in ~500 gear. I destroyed your frost DPS in Terrace. I'm damned close to Method's frost mage in H HoF. I'm not following your train of thought.

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    11/16H 25 mostly done as frost myself. It's perfectly fine. I loathe rune of power and arcane's playstyle, plus some of our fight strategies are less ranged-friendly (I actually had to do double add CC on heroic wind lord one week :P)

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    8/16 heroic, been frost for every fight other than when Frost on Elegon was not viable.

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    I do! I especially love Howling Blast aoe and the burst from Obliterte crits!

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