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    Weaponparadox in the USA

    Its like "to have peace we got to be ready for war".
    Its a socialevelutionery dead end, reminds me much about the arms-race the Sovjet and the USA had back in the cold war, ppl arm up beliving it will defend them, and the other part that dosnt buy guns becomes more and more scared of all the ppl around them with weapons. So in the end they krack under this fear and buys weapons themself.

    But in the end when everyone has weapons, that alone will not be OK, now ppl will need more or bigger and more dangerous weapons.
    In the end everyone will be afraid of everyone.


    well that was just some thougts of mine, hope you see where am coming from with this, and sry about the crappy writing.

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    It's being over-hyped by both sides based solely off emotion.

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    It's absurd really.

    Gun owners want guns to defend themselves from criminals... Criminals who "Won't be affected by gun control". Well, it's pretty retarded to believe that. Criminals will always get guns, yes. But the ease of access is the problem. So gun owners will continue to want guns to protect themselves from the guns the criminals get as a result of gun owners exercising their constitutional rights.

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    Just as OP said. Being able to buy and own a gun doesnt make you more safe. Because everyone else will be having a gun the legal way and its a status quo. More safe=bigger guns.
    Making guns difficult to obtain for the everyday man makes it harder for the criminal people too. Sure they can always get their guns. But they have to rely on stealing their guns from safe guarded places or smuggling. And lets hope the border patrols get better at catching every gun trying to make it across.

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    The whole thing makes a lot more sense (and becomes far less frustrating) when you realize and accept that peace is not a sustainable state of existence. Peace is merely a brief blessing that we should enjoy and appreciate while it lasts, but know that it won't be around for long. As Thomas Jefferson put it,

    "Peace is that brief, glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading."

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    It will never the the weapons as a primary issue. People get to emotional about it and have flawed logic based off their emotions. If you are reasonable you see that weapons are nothing without action. People are and will be the issues. If you limit one type of weapon they will use another to complete what ever they are driven to do. The fix to a security solution since the war was a word is not disarming because as history will show you that does not work. The fix to a security issue has always been to make a soft target a hard target and that will defeat the drive of the person. In several of the mass shooting or attempted mass shooting type attacks of the last decade or so the actors end their lives at the first sign of an opposing force. Their commitment was only to prey on weak innocence and when they were opposed they didn't want to take a fight so they kill themselves.

    If you show them there are much less soft targets to choose from then maybe they just start out their day with a bullet in the mouth. Guns kill people just like spoons make people fat, sorry if you don't agree with it but it is a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    The whole thing makes a lot more sense (and becomes far less frustrating) when you realize and accept that peace is not a sustainable state of existence. Peace is merely a brief blessing that we should enjoy and appreciate while it lasts, but know that it won't be around for long. As Thomas Jefferson put it,

    "Peace is that brief, glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading."
    Of course, there will always be conflict. But minimizing the frequency and severity is surely an ambition to strive for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    The whole thing makes a lot more sense (and becomes far less frustrating) when you realize and accept that peace is not a sustainable state of existence. Peace is merely a brief blessing that we should enjoy and appreciate while it lasts, but know that it won't be around for long. As Thomas Jefferson put it,

    "Peace is that brief, glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading."
    This is very well put, try not to forget the actual world you live in while daydreaming about the world you want to live in because it can and will bite you in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commissar View Post
    Of course, there will always be conflict. But minimizing the frequency and severity is surely an ambition to strive for.
    Being delusional enough to think you can minimize is the only issue with the comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullhurley View Post
    This is very well put, try not to forget the actual world you live in while daydreaming about the world you want to live in because it can and will bite you in the ass.

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    Being delusional enough to think you can minimize is the only issue with the comment.
    not really. Everyone is so scared of everyone that peace falls flat. Its the unwanted fear is the reason we end up with conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    not really. Everyone is so scared of everyone that peace falls flat. Its the unwanted fear is the reason we end up with conflict.
    Really, can you elaborate about this a little more? It does not make as much sense to me as I think you are wanting it to. I know of very few conflicts if any that were caused by fear. Conflict normally requires two actors that have a different agenda whether it be to rob and murder or to stay alive if we are speaking violent crimes. In the above case you have a person that decides to be a predator of humans and instead of working they steal and then using either the threat or the act of violence to achieve their goals. Generally these people are not doing this out of fear they do it out of greed. And the people they either rob/murder or attempt to rob/murder either become victims or they defend themselves, it is actually just that simple. If you wanna talk on a grander scale most wars that have been waged were not based on fear either. So what ever else you got please add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullhurley View Post
    This is very well put, try not to forget the actual world you live in while daydreaming about the world you want to live in because it can and will bite you in the ass.

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    Being delusional enough to think you can minimize is the only issue with the comment.
    You're right... I mean, statistics from every other first world nation doesn't support the claim that lower accessibility to guns results in less gun crime.

    How many of the yearly crimes in the US are committed with full autos? Less than 1000. Why? Because they aren't as easily accessed maybe...

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    Oh great, another one of the "bash America for their gun laws" thread. Enough already! We will not bow to others trying to tell us what to do. Since more people here have been able to get guns, gun violence has dropped. That is partially due to the criminals NOT knowing who has a gun and might shoot them back.
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    Why arent these anti guns threads merged like other topics? Moderators??? Where you at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatspriest View Post
    Oh great, another one of the "bash America for their gun laws" thread. Enough already! We will not bow to others trying to tell us what to do. Since more people here have been able to get guns, gun violence has dropped. That is partially due to the criminals NOT knowing who has a gun and might shoot them back.
    Fight against the Machine, man.

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    I would like to see some gun law evidence based on population. For instance China has the lowest gun violence but is that because they are illegal or is that because their population is so high? Also Zimbabwe has some of the highest gun violence and guns are illegal there.

    I am really curious as if it is mostly because the population difference or that maybe it has something to do with what countries are bordering them?

    Also I do realize the UK has a lower population and low gun crimes but I just chose two extremes because I am curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worprz View Post
    Also Zimbabwe has some of the highest gun violence and guns are illegal there.
    Nice comparison, couldn't be more out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lomppa View Post
    Weaponparadox in the USA
    Whether you think it is a dead end or not, the United States has some very valid reasons for feeling that its citizens not only have a right to be armed, but also a duty as well. Without our "arms" this country would likely not have come into being at all. Or would, at least, have probably taken a century or more longer and be a very different place.

    Yes some of the firearms we have, like semiautomatics, are hardly "needed." However, this is merely the natural result of an industry trying not only meet its customers' needs, but wants as well. We also do have valid reasons for needing firearms. Just ask someone living in a remote spot along the USA-EUM border. Ask someone living in a neighborhood with a lot of violent crime.

    Now gun control reform is needed. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. However, how much, is a matter of heated debate and we should expect it to be. The only thing our founding fathers considered more important than our right to keep and bear arms, was our right to be free after all.
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    Please use an existing gun thread: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...tion-in-the-US

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