What if the U.S. committed genocide?

[WarFalcon1]

Depends how much money is involved in the genocide and who gets a bit of the pie, or oil, or gas, or whatever resource we're running short of. The country was founded on an act of all but totally wiping out the natives of America, so it's already happened.

To be fair we had already wiped out the tribes the of east coast while we were still citizens of the old world. Back then Europe did not seem to mind.

[Kasierith]

What if the US committed genocide? Doe the US still have nuclear weapons? If yes, than there are no states that will do direct military intervention against the US. Mutually assured destruction is a very real and very potent way to deter warfare.

[Ilgalar]

America has been committing genocide for decades....... anyone ever hear of ABORTION!

[Kasierith]

America has been committing genocide for decades....... anyone ever hear of ABORTION!

Disgraceful attempts at sensationalism aside... the US could kill every third child, and it still wouldn't be genocide.

[Kryos]

Bigger guns, better technology, stronger immune systems... It's funny when people preach survival of the fittest except when it involves people. And if we hadn't dropped the bombs on Japan we would have wasted thousands or possibly millions in an invasion, not really genocide, we weren't trying to exterminate them, just end a war they started with us.

No, it was dropped to scare off Stalin.

By May 1945, the Japanese were clearly losing the war in the Pacific; they started making requests for a peace. Stalin told Truman at Potsdam of 'telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace’. In fact, the Japanese offered to surrender on 3 August, but their offer was rejected because it wasn’t an ‘unconditional’ surrender.

Truman dropped the atomic bombs on 6 August 1945 because he wanted to end the war before the USSR could enter the war in the Pacific and claim the lands promised them at Yalta.

[Mavett]

What if the US committed genocide? Doe the US still have nuclear weapons? If yes, than there are no states that will do direct military intervention against the US. Mutually assured destruction is a very real and very potent way to deter warfare.

Even if you take out nuclear weapons out of the equation, no country has the force projection to do anything meaningful to the US even if several of them combined.

[dokilar]

the american indian - taking it in stride since 1492

[Sivick]

This is very unlikely to happen but stick with me.

What would the world do if a nuclear armed and influential country, we will use the U.S. as an example, began committing mass genocide against its own people? Lets say the United States began rounding up people with birth defects and mental illnesses and began systematically exterminating them. Obviously this would create a massive outrage in the worldwide public and in a non-nuclear armed state would instantly be grounds for a U.N. talk of invasion, but nuclear arms changes the game. If the U.S. began exterminating its own citizens, would a foreign nation really invade to try and put an end to it? Sanctions I'm sure would come to play but the U.S. has a global military presence and their economy affects the entire world in a profound way.

So my question specifically is as follows: What do you think the countries of the world would do if a nuclear armed and influential country began massacring its own people? Do you think countries would risk an invasion of a nuclear armed state even though the genocide doesn't really affect their well-being? Would the world try to sever the country economically even if it hurts their own countries? Feel free to focus on if the U.S. was committing the genocide, and lets assume the persecution saw the execution of an upwards of 10+ million people and is still continuing.

we already committed genocide. the native americans are pretty much gone. nobody seemed to give a crap.

[Aftonflickan]

No, it was dropped to scare off Stalin.

By May 1945, the Japanese were clearly losing the war in the Pacific; they started making requests for a peace. Stalin told Truman at Potsdam of 'telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace’. In fact, the Japanese offered to surrender on 3 August, but their offer was rejected because it wasn’t an ‘unconditional’ surrender.

Truman dropped the atomic bombs on 6 August 1945 because he wanted to end the war before the USSR could enter the war in the Pacific and claim the lands promised them at Yalta.

Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking this.

[nyc81991]

Other Nations would probably start to worry about what that might mean for them. If you have a Nation as large as the U.S committing genocide agains't their own people, it is most likely only a matter of time before they turn to the rest of the world with the same intention.

I am not sure how other countries would handle the situation but that could very well be the start of a world war 3.

[WarFalcon1]

No, it was dropped to scare off Stalin.

By May 1945, the Japanese were clearly losing the war in the Pacific; they started making requests for a peace. Stalin told Truman at Potsdam of 'telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace’. In fact, the Japanese offered to surrender on 3 August, but their offer was rejected because it wasn’t an ‘unconditional’ surrender.

Truman dropped the atomic bombs on 6 August 1945 because he wanted to end the war before the USSR could enter the war in the Pacific and claim the lands promised them at Yalta.

And maybe also the US did not have to launch a conventional assault on the Japanese mainland, that would cost hundreds of thousands of US lives?

Also, they were warned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration

[Deleted]

I never said superpower, I said a nuclear armed country and/or an influential one. North Korea has nukes.

North Korea has crap nukes. And they didn't always have nukes, if I remember right their first inter-balistic test was done in 2010. Yet they've been killing their people since communism came to be there.

Fine, want another example? Look at most central african countries. There's like mini-wars there between the people in power and different tribes there all the time.

[Very Tired]

This thread was just ripe for some fresh nation bashing.

[Kasierith]

Even if you take out nuclear weapons out of the equation, no country has the force projection to do anything meaningful to the US even if several of them combined.

You sure about that? Fighting the US isn't about beating the military. It's about demoralizing the citizens until they stop the fighting from the inside.

[Deleted]

we already committed genocide. the native americans are pretty much gone. nobody seemed to give a crap.

The British did, look what happened in that eh?

[Healing Rain]

America has been committing genocide for decades....... anyone ever hear of ABORTION!

Indeed. Sadly abortion is legal in the United States under the guise of protecting a woman's "right to choose" so outlawing it has been nearly impossible.

[Deleted]

Indeed. Sadly abortion is legal in the United States under the guise of protecting a woman's "right to choose" so outlawing it has been nearly impossible.

Heaven forbid people have control over their natural bodily functions and what happens hereof. Praytell, what is the verdict on Cancer that becomes a hostile grownth? Is that to be treated as a seperate "Human" life too because it shares alot of it's genetic material with it's host?

[Kryos]

And maybe also the US did not have to launch a conventional assault on the Japanese mainland, that would cost hundreds of thousands of US lives?
Also, they were warned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration

The key here is "the document did not make any mention of atomic weapons."

It was very clear that Japan could not agree to the Potsdam Declaration without even trying to make a better deal, just to save face.
But USA/Britain and China declared "There are no alternatives. We shall brook no delay" because a few days later the already build atomics bombs had to be dropped.

The whole idea was to force Japan into ignoring this piece of paper to have legitimation for this genocidal attack. If they really wanted to warn Japan they also could have dropped one bomb at the coast just to show what an atomic bomb can do. But they decided to drop them on two citys full of civilians. This was mass murder to show military power to Stalin.

[Imuhdude]

Indeed. Sadly abortion is legal in the United States under the guise of protecting a woman's "right to choose" so outlawing it has been nearly impossible.

It's not possible for a fetus to mature outside of the narcissistic creature its created in. If so, then the abortion debate would be totally different. The only realistic hope is to reduce unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. As for mass murder, that's what America sponsors when it comes to stealing resources from the indigenous populations all over the world while they wallow in starvation and disease.

[Deleted]

The key here is "the document did not make any mention of atomic weapons."

That's like a robber not showing a gun telling you to give you all you have. When you refuse he shoots you with a hidden gun.
It was very clear that Japan could not agree to the Potsdam Declaration without even trying to make a better deal, just to save face.
But USA/Britain and China declared "There are no alternatives. We shall brook no delay" because 3 days later the already build atomics bombs had to be dropped.
The whole idea was to force Japan into ignoring this piece of paper to have legitimation for this genocidal attack. If they really wanted to warn Japan they also could have dropped one bomb at the coast just to show what an atomic bomb can do. But they decided to drop them on two citys full of civilians. This was mass murder to show military power to Stalin.

Let us leave Britain out of the Equation here purely on the merits that the UK was against giving America the Atomic bomb designs in the first place.