1. #2021
    Quote Originally Posted by Chirajaeden View Post
    It differs from state to state, but I know for a fact in my state this would be deemed coercive (Just due to the fact that he is a landlord and it is illegal for him to make, let alone carry out an such an offer) If the offer were turned down this could be deemed sexual harassment, but since the arrangement has been carried out it is most definitely rape. Since the victim in this case, may potentially feel pressured to take the offer because she may feel she has no choice in the matter, i.e. if she doesn't the land lord may evict/kick her and her brother out. In the eyes of the law this is illegal and any coercion at all in regards to sex falls under the umbrella of rape.

    Even if she is not physically forced to have sex with him, she is still be victimized by a sexual predator.

    I just took a course on sexual violence and we covered scenarios just like this. If she wanted to she could easily press charges.
    What state do you live in?

  2. #2022
    Quote Originally Posted by Chirajaeden View Post
    Actually fear is covered under coercion, the fear that if she were not to sleep with him she may lose her place of residence, or that if she doesn't go along with it he may just force her to have sex with him anyway. It doesn't even matter if he actually said he would or would not kick her out, the issue is he has the power to kick her out, and then he offered a deal and made a pass at her. Rape isn't just forcibly having sex with someone, it is any unwanted sexual interaction involving penetration. And from the OP's description it doesn't exactly seem like she had been wanting to jump her land-lord's bones of her own free will.
    I just see it more as an exchange. You trade things to your employer (time) that you may not want to, but the benefits you receive (money) are better than not having the money. To me, apparently the money saved from her rent bill is worth the exchange for sex. Out of those three options, the one she chose seemed most desirable and better for her situation.

  3. #2023
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    If you have taken courses, I will of course respect your knowledge over mine, (Since I have not taken any courses) but I can not agree with you or the law that he raped or coerced her with the information given. According to the OP, there were no threats, no weapons, no hints of aggression, and the OP did not supply any evidence saying he was an overly spiteful or vengeful brother, a violent brother, or if he had done this before.
    He clearly applied psychological pressure to her because of her difficult financial situation, to get her to do something she would not otherwise have done. Coercion.

  4. #2024
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Miscarriage of justice happens for every crime.

    But only when it happens in rape cases do men come out of the woodwork crying about how unfair life is. Even though almost everyone only ever cites those two cases, and studies have shown that false accusations of rape happen at pretty much the same rate as crimes in general.
    Don't give me this feminist bullshit. A woman got rich by accusing a man of a crime he didn't commit and the poor guy was too afraid of losing the trial to plead innocent. This happens so often. Some whiny brat gets mad over her boyfriend dumping her and starts accusing him of various stuff, then the police and everyone else believes her because she has a vagina so that means she's innocent and weak.

    Also, the brother is 150 kgs and ugly.

    She clearly is abusing the fact that he has little experience to her gain, getting a 500$ profit for just about nothing.

  5. #2025
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    And by some miracle, everyone forgets the fact that the girl willingly accepted to prostitute herself, as in becoming a whore basically. She was not forced to do so and she did not have a gun held to her head, while the OPs brother gave her a choice.

    It's a tough world we live in yes and there are plenty of assholes out there. But she could just do the obvious and find someplace else to live? She isn't a victim, she was given a choice and said yes. No matter how immoral the guy might be for making such demands.

  6. #2026
    Sorry, but the man is the one abused.

    She is using her womanly parts to suck him ( hue ) of his money because of his lack of experience! Since he has no options, he is forced to accept her deal.

    My, that is horrible and she should be ashamed.

  7. #2027
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashnazg View Post
    What state do you live in?
    Ohio, the Buckeye state.

    I just see it more as an exchange. You trade things to your employer (time) that you may not want to, but the benefits you receive (money) are better than not having the money. To me, apparently the money saved from her rent bill is worth the exchange for sex. Out of those three options, the one she chose seemed most desirable and better for her situation.
    I understand your argument, and if that is the case she would be guilty of prostitution. If this is taken at face value going just off the OP it is rape. It is the same thing as if you worked at a job where your female employer offered to give you a raise if you slept with her. Offering is sexual harassment, following through with the offer, if unwanted and you at all felt that you could be potentially terminated from your job even if your employer never said it, is rape. If consensual its prostitution, you can't trade money, goods, or services for sex legally. In a situation such as this though where a person is in dire straights and may feel as if themselves or their family are potentially at risk for harm, even if not explicitly stated, and regardless if there were or were not signs of aggression or violence this is still construed as rape. Anyone in power over another person, in this case a land-lord over a tenet, where the tenet very well may feel they have no choice otherwise at the time (they may have another out, but they feel there is no other option) is guilty of coercion.

    Given the description of this girl's age, back story with her parents deaths, and taking care of her brother, a sympathetic jury would eat the land-lord alive.
    The judicial system isn't perfect and this may very well be a case of prostitution, but given what we know (if the information provided is accurate and truthful) then this is rape, plain and simple.

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    The one thing we CAN determine, based on facts. Is that the girl mentioned by the OP is a whore. The rest is a matter of opinion really.

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  11. #2031
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazio View Post
    The one thing we CAN determine, based on facts. Is that the girl mentioned by the OP is a whore. The rest is a matter of opinion really.
    There is no way to determine that given what we know. In fact, what we are told is utterly and completely contradictory to that -- and pins the brother as being the despicable person (whether he is or not).
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    Lock this thread already, i bet most of you dont even give a shit or think about it after closing this page, just unessecery

  14. #2034
    Quote Originally Posted by Quasicomplex View Post
    Where are you getting you facts? People here just seem to continuously fill in the blanks of the OP's post and mold it to support whatever standpoint they're backing. Distil the OP's post leaving nothing but the essence and discuss that. Remolding it over and over again to fit different standpoints is rather pointless.

    Taken directly from the OP:

    So my brother recently developed his basement and rented it out to a girl and her younger brother. She's 18 years old and her brother is only 11. Their parents died last year because of a drunk driver.
    Sad back story which I alluded to in earlier post.

    She was actually accepted into McGill University right before her parents died. She decided to put that aside and just work for now because of financial reasons. She's currently supporting both herself and her younger brother (he's in grade 6 right now).
    Shows financial issues, which can be taken advantage of by her land lord.

    His own financial situation is great and so he decided to reduce the girl's rent if she were to do some "favours" for him. He agreed to reduce her rent by 60% if she slept with him once a week. I wasn't there when he asked her this but from what my brother told me, she was very reluctant. She's a very sweet young girl who doesn't approach sex casually. Eventually she agreed to doing this because of her financial difficulties.
    If she is indeed reluctant this is an unwanted sexual encounter.

    I noticed that recently, she has been feeling very uncomfortable around my brother. Whenever they are in the same room, she doesn't look at him and appears very nervous and awkward.
    Again, portraying the idea of unwanted sexual contact.

    Having to stay strong for her brother after her parents died must have been really difficult. Having to sleep with my brother who isn't exactly an attractive guy (He's almost 300 pounds and hasn't had a girlfriend in his life) must take alot of strength as well. My brother thinks that he's doing her a favour by taking her rent down so much.
    Shows lack of empathy on land lord's behalf, since he clearly feels he is doing no wrong. Though he may be overweight, his size could potentially make him seem more physically imposing toward a member of the opposite sex. Depending on her height weight, this could also be a factor.

    I'm not making a personal attack on your statement, but I'm also not remolding anything from the original post.

    If the information that stands is in fact the truth, then I'm pretty sure I've proved my point, and those who don't agree with it aren't going to be logically swayed otherwise.

    I'm just going off what has been provided.

  15. #2035
    So if he was slim it would be more normal?

    lawl.

    I still think she is taking advantage of him.

  16. #2036
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Miscarriage of justice happens for every crime.

    But only when it happens in rape cases do men come out of the woodwork crying about how unfair life is. Even though almost everyone only ever cites those two cases, and studies have shown that false accusations of rape happen at pretty much the same rate as crimes in general.
    I'm going to paraphrase another MRA here: a growing body of evidence suggests that the false accusation rate for rape is considerably higher than other crimes. Orders of magnitude higher, and yet its conviction rates are on par or higher than similar crimes. Yet femminist continue to perpetuate myths about how rapes are drastically under reported, conviction rates are lower than other crimes (they do this by comparing the attrition rate of rape, i.e. charges resulting in convictions, to the conviction rate of other crimes, i.e. trials resulting in convictions), and continue to lobby for more protections from rape accusers and lowered burdens of proof in rape trials.

    We're up in arms about because liars are sending us to jail and lobbyists are fighting to make it easier for them to do so.
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  17. #2037
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Miscarriage of justice happens for every crime.

    But only when it happens in rape cases do men come out of the woodwork crying about how unfair life is. Even though almost everyone only ever cites those two cases, and studies have shown that false accusations of rape happen at pretty much the same rate as crimes in general.
    Other crimes dont get you put on a sex offender registry (which is a completely separate beurocratic nightmare) or carry a permanent stigma regardless of acquittal. The media makes damn sure to plaster the guys face everywhere. I don't have it handy, but there was a case where a man was acquitted of rape nd the media decided to plaster his mug shot all over the place.

  18. #2038
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchieKDC View Post
    Since when was it said she was an escort? Going to the OP's posts, it was never said she was, unless I missed something. Therefore, your suggestion falls flat as it isn't the subject of the topic. And what misunderstanding? His title reflects his posts and questions. Where are people coming up with this stuff?
    A call girl or female escort is a sex worker who (unlike a street walker) is not visible to the general public; nor does she usually work in an institution like a brothel

  19. #2039
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasicomplex View Post
    Even if that rings true, you'll get infracted for calling someone a troll. Which might well be what Lazio is after.

    Nah I wasn't trying to bait someone into calling me a troll, wasn't even aware that you could get infracted for that.

    But I stand by what I said before, I think the girl mentioned in this topic is a whore based on the information the OP has provided us with. That doesn't mean I support the person who is paying her though.

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