My brother reduced his tenant's rent and made her sleep with him as compensation.

[neanoa]

Your brother should be curbstomped. What a piece of shit human being he is.



Infracted.

[goneloco]

sry mate, ur brother seems to be an ass.
i cant tell u what to do, and i dont know how ur laws work were u live, but if this happened here in sweden even though it was my family i would go to the police.
i think i should rephrase that to Especially if it was in my family, i would never tolerate my family to do something horrible as that.

[semaphore]

Hmh. Where is the threat? I haven't seen anywhere she'd be under threat of losing the accomodation.

Sorry, I don't mean that there is a threat made in this hypothetical scenario. I mean It's an implied threat, because he's the landlord. The threat doesn't have to be spelt out to be there hanging on the tenant, because it's an unequal situation with a power disparity between the parties. It's why this is illegal in most places. When someone controls whether you and your dependents have a roof over your heads, you are vulnerable to abuses of power and so the law steps up (for the most part).

[Blockygame]

Why are you on here asking us what to do, you already know what he's doing is foul, predatory behavior. I hope you can sort it out, the fact that he's now confided in you with or without her knowledge is most probably playing on her mind as well has having to suffer his heavy ass on her weekly, if not for your own conscience, do it for her, she's a human being, not a hole for you brother.

[Stir]

Hmh. Where is the threat? I haven't seen anywhere she'd be under threat of losing the accomodation. She just doesn't have to pay so much now.
It is still immoral from him, I can agree on that. And I don't get how can he be such a dick with no conscience whatsoever. I just don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound from the legal point ov view. It would really depend on where is this taking place... You can't classify it as rape, that's for sure. Sexual exploitation it admittedly could be depending on the local law and it's definition of sexual exploitation... It would involve a lot of word-games.

Legally, the threat is in the fact that he is the landlord, and could, potentially, decide to end her residency if she doesn't comply. The threat is, in effect, in the difference of hierarchy. She can't reasonably deny him his demand and expect things to remain the same as they were because he is in a position of power.

[Doctor Amadeus]

'I am the very last person that should be trying to define exploitation' based on... What, exactly? My being Dutch? Having some understanding of laws and judicial systems? Being a human? What, exactly?
Also: There is a huge difference between porn stárs and people that are forced into pornography. Far from all 'porn' is actual pornography... Much of the smut you see in cheap porn movies (especially the eastern european ones) is, indeed, exploitation. Those people are victims, though, and not porn stars.
As for making a bad situation worse: Hardly. You see, that's what we've got laws for. They don't exist merely to stop the crime, but there are also procedures that help and support the victim. Procedures such as, for instance, finding affordable living space. Getting grants in order to pay for the child's education. Dept-relief. And more.

Ok what if this 300lbs joker lied about it, what if he never got so much as a hug from this woman and lowered her rent, and told his sister what he had done, to seem in his mind like he wasn't as big of a loser as she might have feared. Maybe in his twisted warped mind this seemed alright.


There are plenty of laws that would nail this guys butt to the wall, if this woman decided to see them.



As for the porn industry, i still don't think you know what the hell it means to exploit anybody, what i see is you trying to distance one act from another to try to come of a bit self rightous yourself.


and what i mean by making a bad situation worse was exactly that if her brother lied, if none of that happened, maybe they were actually in a loving relationship who knows, maybe it was just something that worked out, and later the woman decided like Peoples court to say she was exploited or something, so no not only is she maybe not the victim, but just as screwed up as he is, which honestly, if this was real is exactly how i see it.

[drukai]

So all you people who are railing on the imaginary girl? Ever have sex? I have, it felt great.

And no, no you haven't. I know that for a fact.

[Deleted]

One could, if one is an unscrupulous scum lacking the most basic elements of humanity.

She didn't bring anything on herself by being in dire financial straits. She is being exploited because of her situation. There is no way you can defend this (assuming the story is true) without discarding all pretense of empathy, compassion and everything that makes us humans.

Agree with Semaphore here.

Your brother is an exploiting, inconsiderate rapist.
Assuming the story is true, she's giving the girl a choice;
Live with 100% rent, which most likely is a lot to pay for the girl, barely make it each month for her and a brother.
Live with 40% rent, giving sex unwillingly because it'll provide for her brother.

This is plainly forced prostitution.
If I were you, I'd take the girl and help her find a new place, your brother is a maniac and needs to be locked up.

[Xzan]

Sorry, I don't mean that there is a threat made in this hypothetical scenario. I mean It's an implied threat, because he's the landlord. The threat doesn't have to be spelt out to be there hanging on the tenant, because it's an unequal situation with a power disparity between the parties. It's why this is illegal in most places. When someone controls whether you and your dependents have a roof over your heads, you are vulnerable to abuses of power and so the law steps up (for the most part).

I still don't get it (maybe that's why I'm in IT where things are crystal clear and not idiot-made shiet that is law). She isn't losing the roof over her head. She just pays less and gives him sex or she'd pay the regular price...

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Your brother is a piece of shit. See if you can help her find some other place to stay.

That's the best thing to do IMO. She doesn't deserve that treatment from your brother. You should offer to help her find a better place, and maybe offer for her to stay at your place (if you have room) until she can find somewhere reasonable so that she can get away from there ASAP.

Being a good person is always the right answer.

PS: You could talk to your brother all you want. He's still a creepy guy, and always will be to her. That will never change.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Doesn't matter. You keep telling everyone else that they can't define morality or exploitation or whatever, while you do the exact same thing yourself.

No, i am saying i see Porn and this as not all that far different and yes I morally object to both, but unlike you, i am not inclined to make it illegal or blow matters between concenting adults out of proportion.

[Xarkan]

To be fair, it's hard to say that what he's doing is morally okay. I wouldn't hurl names as bad as some people in this thread are, but I still think it's a little low. Accepting the story at face value, it sounds as if the girl was able to afford the rent already. The issue is that there's no way to know if the guy would kick her out if she said no, or if it was simply an offered trade off for less rent that would, if refused, not change anything. In the latter case, he's not really doing anything wrong besides being a bit of a pervert. If the former is true, then it's awful.

Even if the guy would not how would the girl know that he would not kick her out if she said no?

[Shadocaster]

Ever have sex? I have, it felt great.

It felt so good when I did it with my penis!

[mink4i]

Offering to reduce rent at the cost of sexual favors regardless of the situation is absolutely disgusting. Your brother is a terrible horrible person and should be put in jail for taking advantage of this girl. Seriously you arent a human being if you don't confront your brother about this depraved evil thing he is forcing that young lady into.

My god if I was his sibling I would have beaten him half to death already. What a pig.

[nyc81991]

That actually pisses me off a little bit. I would be totally against him if I was you. He has no right to do that and someone needs to put him in his place.

It seems like you know its wrong, so I think you should try to put an end to that in a way you feel is appropriate. Perhaps talking to the girl about it when you get the chance. Or simply telling your brother "you might think you are doing her a favor but ask her if she would still be doing what she is if she had the choice".

People will try to justify their actions by saying pretty much anything.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

Why is it that the only thing you ever respond to me with is insults instead of anything substantive? Maybe it is because you have nothing substantive in the first place?

Whenever I do respond with an argument you seem to pretend my post doesn't exist. Also, this is purely moral anyway, but I'd just like to point out how much of a hypocrite you'd be for beating somebody nearly to death and thinking the girl is better off dead when you defend life as being sacred.

[Deleted]

your brother is seriously fucked up, he knows the girl would have slapped his face and most likely brought charges against him if not for the fact of the 11 yr old bro. If this is the way he treats females then is is no wonder the piece of shit has never had a girlfriend. heres hoping the 11yr old realises ya bro is raping his sister and puts a knife in him.

you know mutual sex isnt raping do you ?

[Frizzlewits]

like this never happened before?

how sad it is, but this kinda stuff happens on a daily basis.
you are just unlucky, that this time its your bro who is doing this.

[Pull My Finger]

OP thread history is hilarious.

[semaphore]

I still don't get it (maybe that's why I'm in IT where things are crystal clear and not idiot-made shiet that is law). She isn't losing the roof over her head. She just pays less and gives him sex or she'd pay the regular price...

Put it this way. It's because he's in a position of power thus a request for sex is inherently coercive (legally speaking).