1. #1081
    Well then its not very fair to accuse me of being evasive.
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  2. #1082
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm saying her position was pretty clearly between "pay rent you can't pay or sleep with me". And that she has ample reason to assume implied coercion.

    Never said that.
    God damnit Wells. How can giving a third option be coercion? The fact that she took the third option over the other two tells us that she actually thinks the third option is her best option. She's actually benefitting from this supposed "coersion". Good thing bleeding hearts like you are immediately up in arms to try and put her out on the street!

    By this logic, almost everything is coersion. "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer. I guess you think prostitution has to be coercion as well. People are "coerced" into selling their bodies to sustain themselves.

    Fucking mother nature coercing everyone to do stuff to stay alive! OCCUPY MOTHER NATURE!

  3. #1083
    I'm pretty sure is this is prosecutable...

  4. #1084
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Well then its not very fair to accuse me of being evasive.
    Make a thread about calling women bitches and maybe you'll see me in there. This one's about a prostitute.

    Quote Originally Posted by kage
    I'm pretty sure is this is prosecutable...
    For both parties. Because it's not forced, she would get charged as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer.
    Check out modern slavery actually, it works that way.

  6. #1086
    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    God damnit Wells. How can giving a third option be coercion? The fact that she took the third option over the other two tells us that she actually thinks the third option is her best option. She's actually benefitting from this supposed "coersion". Good thing bleeding hearts like you are immediately up in arms to try and put her out on the street!

    By this logic, almost everything is coersion. "Go buy food with money you don't have or work for me so you can eat". Oh shit the employee is getting coerced into working for the employer. I guess you think prostitution has to be coercion as well. People are "coerced" into selling their bodies to sustain themselves.

    Fucking mother nature coercing everyone to do stuff to stay alive! OCCUPY MOTHER NATURE!
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    Make a thread about calling women bitches and maybe you'll see me in there. This one's about a prostitute.
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
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  7. #1087
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    Definition of prostitute:

    Noun
    A person, typically a woman, who engages in sex for payment.
    Verb
    Offer (someone, typically a woman) for sex for payment: "she never prostituted herself".
    There's nothing in there about clients. If you perform sex acts for payment, you are a prostitute. Unless there's a camera around. Then it's just porn.

  8. #1088
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.

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    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    Nobody said she was going to be evicted if she didn't accept the deal.She could have said no and lived there while paying the full rent...
    Your definition of prostitute is unique.She's taking money for sex.No more is needed.

  9. #1089
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.
    Again, so you wish that he just evicted her instead?

    Look, the guy is an asshole, I'm not defending him. But she's not a victim either. She has the option to either move someplace cheaper or get more income. She chose a modified version of option number two. She's reducing her expenses by using the third option.

    But again, seeing how you think employees are victims of the employers, I think this conversation with you will bear no fruit.

    A prostitute solicits clients. This woman did no such thing.
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    She may have another title, but she's doing what prostitutes do: exchange sex work for payment.
    Last edited by Diurdi; 2012-12-28 at 12:38 AM.

  10. #1090
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So you just go around calling women bitches?
    Do you usually go around comparing prostitution with armed robbery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    She's not a prostitute because she's not soliciting clients.
    HAHA.

    Wow. I need to use that for a signature.

  11. #1091
    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Nobody said she was going to be evicted if she didn't accept the deal.She could have said no and lived there while paying the full rent...
    Your definition of prostitute is unique.She's taking money for sex.No more is needed.
    What happens to people who can't pay their rent? Or do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?
    Again, so you wish that he just evicted her instead?
    That's neither here nor there.
    Look, the guy is an asshole, I'm not defending him. But she's not a victim either. She has the option to either move someplace cheaper or get more income. She chose a modified version of option number two. She's reducing her expenses by using the third option.
    Some day you're going to realize the real world isn't one of your text books. Assuming she has any savings, which is unlikely, they're hardly going to be enough to move if she can't even make rent or is struggling to do so. First and last month for a new place. Plus she has a young child's welfare to consider which makes a lot of low income housing unfeasible.
    Do you usually go around comparing prostitution with armed robbery?
    Only when people are having as hard a time understanding implied coercion as you are.
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  12. #1092
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    She clearly is having a hard time making rent.
    Facts not in evidence. She does not have enough disposable income to attend university at McGill is the only evidence as to her financial state. I don't think I need to tell you that there is a pretty significant difference between not being able to attend university, and struggle to make rent. She was pretty clearly able to pay the full rent long enough for the landlord to become interested in her and the landlord's brother to get to know her and her brother fairly well.

  13. #1093
    Quote Originally Posted by DisposableHero View Post
    Facts not in evidence. She does not have enough disposable income to attend university at McGill is the only evidence as to her financial state. I don't think I need to tell you that there is a pretty significant difference between not being able to attend university, and struggle to make rent. She was pretty clearly able to pay the full rent long enough for the landlord to become interested in her and the landlord's brother to get to know her and her brother fairly well.
    Do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?
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    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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  14. #1094
    Your brother is fucked up in the head. Tell him to get some help.

  15. #1095
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilu View Post
    Uuuh.. okay. Can't argue with people if we're not operating on the same moral standards.
    Even if you oppose prostitution it's still not necessarily something you'd want to have legislature against. You might simply recognize that it will happen regardless of legality and that being illegal means that those who participate will have nowhere to go if some sicko decides to beat them up, and that's only one of the problems.

    Bergtau's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that somebody will mention Godwin's Law approaches 1.
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  16. #1096
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?
    She doesn't need to raise her sibling though.

    If she can't provide for herself, then she really can't provide for her brother.

    Her brother should go into foster care and become a ward of the state, where he will be raised much better by big government.

    Then the ADULT female won't be financially burdened.

  17. #1097
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Some day you're going to realize the real world isn't one of your text books. Assuming she has any savings, which is unlikely, they're hardly going to be enough to move if she can't even make rent or is struggling to do so. First and last month for a new place. Plus she has a young child's welfare to consider which makes a lot of low income housing unfeasible.
    So you're saying that:

    1. Giving her the third option is coercion and thus wrong. It should be illegal etc etc
    2. Her other options, moving elsewhere and getting more income are not feasible (which you base on assumptions).

    So what you're really saying is that you want to remove her only feasible option to live in a proper house. Gee thanks, I'm sure she'll feel great on the street knowing we have these bleeding hearts here knowing what's best for you.

    Also, they don't teach this shit in textbooks. You need logic. I wish I was "coerced" by being given additional options that are superior to the ones I had before.
    Last edited by Diurdi; 2012-12-28 at 12:48 AM.

  18. #1098
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    Even if you oppose prostitution it's still not necessarily something you'd want to have legislature against. You might simply recognize that it will happen regardless of legality and that being illegal means that those who participate will have nowhere to go if some sicko decides to beat them up
    WTF.

    Whether or not you engage in Prostitution doesn't mean you can't press charges against someone who physically assaults you.

  19. #1099
    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    So you're saying that:

    1. Giving her the third option is coercion and thus wrong. It should be illegal etc etc
    2. Her other options, moving elsewhere and getting more income are not feasible.

    So what you're really saying is that you want to remove her only feasible option to live in a proper house. Gee thanks, I'm sure she'll feel great on the street knowing we have these bleeding hearts here knowing what's best for you.

    Also, they don't teach this shit in textbooks. You need logic.
    You are fully aware I support a comprehensive social net for people just like this woman, don't play stupid for convenience.
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  20. #1100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?
    18 year old women do plenty of things without fully thinking things through. I doubt she considered very many other ways to trim her budget or increase her income while making that decision. That does not change the fact that you are making an assumption to further a narrative that fits your world view instead of reviewing the facts presented.

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