My brother reduced his tenant's rent and made her sleep with him as compensation.

[hellosaltygoodness]

Im not saying the choice is one I would have made.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Wells.

What would her situation be like if the proposal was never offered?

well, her financial situation is not my actual business, but if i was going to make it my business i would have stepped in with an offer of actual help, not some predatory proposal of exploitation. because you know, i'm an actual human being, who doesn't view people in need as potential rape opportunities.

[Melt]

Im not saying the choice is one I would have made.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Wells.

What would her situation be like if the proposal was never offered?

She would be sitting on the street, because she couldn´t pay rent...

So know what? Does this make the landlord a hero or something? Instead of raping a woman i only beat her up. This makes me such a kind man!

Again, the only rational explanation i have for people sympathizing with such opportunism is them being either very young and unexpirienced or them living a way to easy life.

[Laize]

I answered. He more or less ignored it.

Get off your high horse.

No, you didn't. You hand-waved it away by essentially saying "We don't know what state she's in so it's impossible to say". You completely ignored the fact that it doesn't matter what state she's in because if her state DOES offer housing amenities she is either ignorant to them or the accommodations are not worth giving up her current situation for.

[Deleted]

While I wouldn't go as far as saying this is rape, this is still definately an extremely low, pathetic, douchey thing to do. No offence but I hope your brother gets hit by a truck or something, this is horrific behaviour.

As for advice, I would suggest simply talking to him about it, make it known to him that you do not approve, and try to help her in any way possible, poor girl.

[Laize]

well, her financial situation is not my actual business, but if i was going to make it my business i would have stepped in with an offer of actual help, not some predatory proposal of exploitation. because you know, i'm an actual human being, who doesn't view people in need as potential rape opportunities.

It's not rape. There is no force or coercion.

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While I wouldn't go as far as saying this is rape, this is still definately an extremely low, pathetic, douchey thing to do. No offence but I hope your brother gets aids or something, this is horrific behaviour.

As for advice, I would suggest simply talking to him about it, make it known to him that you do not approve, and try to help her in any way possible, poor girl.

Your wish for his brother to get AIDS is rather ironic since that would almost certainly wind up affecting the one you actually feel sorry for.

[Xiaz89]

If this is something she can get out of by simply going "this needs to stop, I'll pay you the full rent" and have no consequences thrown her way, and she is aware of this, then I don't see how it is forced on her. It is simply an alternate offer thrown at her by her landlord. It doesn't stop the landlord from being kind of a douche, as he could obviously let her pay less rent without the sex thrown in.

Hell, if my landlord told me I could pay 40% rent and fuck her once a week, I would probably do it, and not suffer from it.

This situation can't be depicted by text over the internet, it sounds kind of messed up the way OP wrote it, but might not be as messed up as he makes it seem. It depends on the girl, some women could take this deal with no long-term problems attached.

[Deleted]

It's not rape. There is no force or coercion.

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Your wish for his brother to get AIDS is rather ironic since that would almost certainly wind up affecting the one you actually feel sorry for.

You're right, I should probably change it to get hit by a truck or something. I typed it out of anger lol.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

you're right, he's really just doing her a favour by using her financial situation to get sex from an otherwise completely unwilling person.

its sad how many people on this board have actually convinced themselves that there is nothing wrong with having sex with a person who is only doing it because they don't feel as if they have a choice. you guys just find whatever excuses you can to justify raping people.

Stop bullshitting. Just stop it. With your logic, banks and other bill companies are raping me by making me pay them.

rape1 [reyp] Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.
noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

What part of trading rent money for sex is rape? None of it.

[DisposableHero]

I answered. He more or less ignored it.

Get off your high horse.

Your answer was that there was not enough information to make any assumptions. Coupled with your willingness to make assumptions that indict the actions of the landlord such as assuming the woman was incapable of paying the rent without the discount in an attempt to prove the offer was inherently coercive.

Just for reference, this happened here:

Without knowing what state she is in that's not possible to determine.

and here:

I'm kind of disappointed in your tone here Diurdi. The man has the power to evict her. She clearly is having a hard time making rent. He's taking advantage of that to get sex. Its by definition implied coercion.

For further reference, when I replied on the same page with:

Facts not in evidence. She does not have enough disposable income to attend university at McGill is the only evidence as to her financial state. I don't think I need to tell you that there is a pretty significant difference between not being able to attend university, and struggle to make rent. She was pretty clearly able to pay the full rent long enough for the landlord to become interested in her and the landlord's brother to get to know her and her brother fairly well.

you asked:

Do you think young women raising their siblings with recently deceased parents are offered deals like this by their land lords and accept when money isn't tight?

to which I answered:

18 year old women do plenty of things without fully thinking things through. I doubt she considered very many other ways to trim her budget or increase her income while making that decision. That does not change the fact that you are making an assumption to further a narrative that fits your world view instead of reviewing the facts presented.

And to this you had no reply. This would be cognitive dissonance at its finest, willing to make assumptions that support the narrative you hold to be true, and ignoring any hypothetical that could lead a differing view, and then having the audacity to pretend that your evasion of that hypothetical was in fact an answer.

[Laize]

She would be sitting on the street, because she couldn´t pay rent...

So know what? Does this make the landlord a hero or something? Instead of raping a woman i only beat her up. This makes me such a kind man!

Again, the only rational explanation i have for people sympathizing with such opportunism is them being either very young and unexpirienced or them living a way to easy life.

I wish people would stop calling it rape. It's not rape. I swear... some people would call it rape every time a wife who wasn't in the mood wound up having sex with her husband anyway because he was persistent.

Second, it absolutely doesn't make the landlord a hero. At least no more than it would make him a hero if he wanted her to do landscaping for him.

As I said, I've had tenants who have needed help with their rent and I usually have them do landscaping or repair work. When you get right down to it, he's exchanging money for a service that she's rendering. Yes, that makes her a prostitute.

Whether she likes it or thinks it's degrading is another thing entirely. She's not being forced into it, though.

I once read an AMA on Reddit from a sex worker who said it was far more degrading to be a McDonald's worker than a porn actress... or as she put it "[she] got fucked harder in fast food than [she] ever did in porn."

[hellosaltygoodness]

It's not rape. There is no force or coercion.

maybe in RapeApologiaLand its not rape, but here in RealWorldLand abusing your position of authority over somebody to extort sex actually is rape, and using any form of pressure against a person to coerce them to consent to sex actually is rape. here in RealWorldLand, two people actually have to be freely willing to have sex in order for it not to be rape.

[Laize]

If this is something she can get out of by simply going "this needs to stop, I'll pay you the full rent" and have no consequences thrown her way, and she is aware of this, then I don't see how it is forced on her. It is simply an alternate offer thrown at her by her landlord. It doesn't stop the landlord from being kind of a douche, as he could obviously let her pay less rent without the sex thrown in.

Hell, if my landlord told me I could pay 40% rent and fuck her once a week, I would probably do it, and not suffer from it.

This situation can't be depicted by text over the internet, it sounds kind of messed up the way OP wrote it, but might not be as messed up as he makes it seem. It depends on the girl, some women could take this deal with no long-term problems attached.

It's a rather excellent example of a double standard.

If this were a female landlord and male tenant, this discussion wouldn't even have made it to the second page.

[Kasierith]

It's a rather excellent example of a double standard.

If this were a female landlord and male tenant, this discussion wouldn't even have made it to the second page.

This has been asserted multiple times without any base behind it; if you want to persist with this, than wait a few weeks and make a similar thread with reversed genders and see what happens. There would be less outrage, sure, but mostly because of social perspectives of males that would consider it a massively good thing as opposed to a negative.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

maybe in RapeApologiaLand its not rape, but here in RealWorldLand abusing your position of authority over somebody to extort sex actually is rape, and using any form of pressure against a person to coerce them to consent to sex actually is rape. here in RealWorldLand, two people actually have to be freely willing to have sex in order for it not to be rape.

No, there was no coercion or abuse. According to the story, it was just a third option. Not a forced or get out option.

[Laize]

maybe in RapeApologiaLand its not rape, but here in RealWorldLand abusing your position of authority over somebody to extort sex actually is rape, and using any form of pressure against a person to coerce them to consent to sex actually is rape. here in RealWorldLand, two people actually have to be freely willing to have sex in order for it not to be rape.

What were the repercussions if she said "no"? Nothing, that's what.

The landlord has no authority over her. As a landlord, myself, I can tell you that we're more or less at the beck and call of tenants who have more rights than we do. We're just the ones that get paid so no one feels sorry for us when tenants pull shit. "Oh your tenant didn't pay rent for 2 months? Gee that's a bummer." as compared to "Your landlord STILL hasn't fixed your air conditioning? What an asshole! Let's talk about him for a half hour."

[Wells]

No, you didn't. You hand-waved it away by essentially saying "We don't know what state she's in so it's impossible to say". You completely ignored the fact that it doesn't matter what state she's in because if her state DOES offer housing amenities she is either ignorant to them or the accommodations are not worth giving up her current situation for.

You asked what her other options were.

I told you we can't know for a very clear and fair reason.

That's not hand waving.

You're also assuming they're not there because she didn't take them. That assumes the OP is true, which is a huge stretch.

[Deleted]

maybe in RapeApologiaLand its not rape, but here in RealWorldLand abusing your position of authority over somebody to extort sex actually is rape, and using any form of pressure against a person to coerce them to consent to sex actually is rape. here in RealWorldLand, two people actually have to be freely willing to have sex in order for it not to be rape.

You'll have to excuse your delusions but a simple question doesn't generate enough pression to rape someone.
Cause that's what it was,''wanna have sex for less rent?'' nothing more then a simple question,she could have said no and nothing would have changed.
She said yes thus commencing a willingly accord with the landlord and at the same time her career as a prostitute.

In rape there has to be at least a TINY bit of assault on the victim's quality of life as a threat.
Was saying no to that question so hard?Did he rape her with a negative answer?

[Wells]

Your answer was that there was not enough information to make any assumptions. Coupled with your willingness to make assumptions that indict the actions of the landlord such as assuming the woman was incapable of paying the rent without the discount in an attempt to prove the offer was inherently coercive.

Simply because we don't have enough data to know what her others options are doesn't mean we don't have enough data to make certain assumptions about her financial situation.

[Noujou]

just going to play devils advocate here but from the way i read it shes doing this willingly right? as in she was capable of paying the rent before the 60% reduction? one could argue that its immoral of the guy but one could also argue that she brings it on herself if shes able to pay the full amount but chooses to sleep with the guy in order pay 60% less.

yes, but your leaving one thing out:

I noticed that recently, she has been feeling very uncomfortable around my brother. Whenever they are in the same room, she doesn't look at him and appears very nervous and awkward.

after reading that, i don't think she is willfully doing this, even if she could pay for it prior, lower rent is good rent...period...she is doing this for her brother and her since she has to support both of them....there is no pleasure in sleeping with someone you dont like, especially a 300lb sack of shit.

to the OP, i seriously think you need to talk with you brother, talk sense into his fat ass, hes a engineer, he can listen to logic, and if logic doesn't work. Then beat it into him, he's a large man, beat him in the knees til he gives in and "timbers", because you'd be doing the girl, yourself and the world a favor.

Quite frankly, your brother disgusts me, if i could do whatever i wanted to and have get away with it, id kill him, because hes a animal, a animal that deserves to be put down.

[Laize]

This has been asserted multiple times without any base behind it; if you want to persist with this, than wait a few weeks and make a similar thread with reversed genders and see what happens. There would be less outrage, sure, but mostly because of social perspectives of males that would consider it a massively good thing as opposed to a negative.

Not if it were a 300 lb woman with a moustache.

And the only reason there's "no basis" is because no one has made a thread as such.

You are totally kidding yourself if you think its social acceptance would differ, however.