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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    And BGs aren't? How about raids or dungeons? There is no right or wrong reason to play the game and you cannot decide that dailies are a "horrible" reason.
    The content you mentioned is based on teamwork and socialising. Thats what most players are looking for. Doing solo content in MMO game and PAYING sub for it just sounds stupid if you are not doing anything else.

  2. #362
    They may not be adding dungeons now, but that doesn't mean there isn't more coming in 5.3. We just got 5.1 last month. 5.2 is likely hitting either late Feb/early March. When it comes out, there will be 3-4 new LFRs to run along with 2 new world bosses. Those will provide a progression path to those not interested in commiting to raid groups. Scenarios have improved in 5.1 and I expect they will get better as Blizzard gets more feedback.

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    I love dungeons, but we're getting a raid, so I really don't expect new dungeons in the same patch, too. With the new smaller/frequent content patch philosophy, it kinda doesn't make sense to release both in the same patch. Probably patches will alternate between the ones we get raids and the ones were we get content like five mans/scenarios/etc.

    So maybe in 5.3 we'll get a couple new ones, but no raid, and 5.4 will be the raid but no dungeons. *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    FL was supposed to come out with Z-dungs in 4.1. But the raid wasn't ready so they released the 5-mans by themselves as a consolation.
    Just to clarify that the bolded part here is bullshit. I'll see if I can find the Blue Post, but I recall a post saying that the Dungeons were done a lot sooner then expected, so rather then delay content that was perfectly ready, they launched it knowing that the time between Tier 11 & Tier 12 would be far to great.

    Firelands was not slow to release. It released on time, it was the Dungeons that were released early.

  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Dravelar View Post
    You are still pugging right?And even tho the gear is not the best,it's better than LFR gear,and it is by no means more unfriendly than T11 pugs or anything like that
    No - MSV gear is not better than LFR gear. Its pretty much worthless compared to set gear.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    First off, you were replying to me.

    I never said dailies never existed, I didn't mention them because they weren't a means of casual gear progression. There's a point to wanting new dungeons. New dungeons offers higher-ilvl gear, meaning progression for casuals. Current dailies offer that too through rep. Old dailies did not (prior to Quel'Danas).

    Besides, dailies are a HORRIBLE reason to continue playing the game for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    I remember having to run regular dungeons for Cenarion rep until I could get into heroic Steamvaults, THEN rep up enough to get my first epic. Back then, there were no such things as dailies, scenarios or LFR so without a high number of dungeons there was literally nothing else to do (and why I cancelled my account till all guildies were geared enough to raid)
    That's odd. I could swear that you did.

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    My suggestion was that it should be.
    I've never understood Heroic locks in the first place even back in TBC. I've never been a fan of raid locks once the next Tier comes out either.

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    Dungeon quality is getting worse and worse every expansion, it's quite disappointing to see.

    3 rehashed instances rather than 2 from Cataclysm. Only 5 new heroics that aren't even memorable in the least.

    With the way this is going, next expansion will have 4 rehashed instances and about 3 new heroics.

    Not really surprised nothing came out from the 5 man front in 5.2. They'll likely have 3 new instances in 5.3 or 5.4, and that'll be that. Meh.

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    I would rather wait 2 more months and get 3 new dungeons instead of bunch of daily quests or scenarios.

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    Their entire answer in getting "content out at a much faster, more desirable pace" is to shove more dailies down people's throats. To be using the same content type over and over again since 2007 is incredibly frustrating, and disappointing.

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    Really?.
    Context. Learn what it is.

    Next thing I guess you're gonna bring up World Bosses and how I skipped over that too huh?
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  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    The content you mentioned is based on teamwork and socialising. Thats what most players are looking for. Doing solo content in MMO game and PAYING sub for it just sounds stupid if you are not doing anything else.
    If you go through 1-90 you can do it without playing with a single person. So are you saying people who only level up alts are playing stupidly?
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  12. #372
    I think every raid should come with atleast one heroic as a pre-cursor to the raid itself. Good opportunity to deliver lore, gain rep and prepare for the raid itself with some new boss mechanics. I much prefer heroics to scenarios, think we could have had a dungeon with 5.2. They had the right idea with ICC. 3 heroics and one long, kick ass raid. Granted that was the de facto finale of wrath and 5.2 is not the end of MoP but they should be aiming for standards they have already met.

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    If you go through 1-90 you can do it without playing with a single person. So are you saying people who only level up alts are playing stupidly?
    If they dont go into dungeons then yes- they are playing it stupidly. LFD is still fastest way to lvl ingame. And like it or not - it means you are playing with other players in content that is focused on teamwork and sometimes ppl say hi... and sometimes other respond. Thats socialising

  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    Just like VERY few people saw BT/Hyjal (let's not even talk about SW) in tBC and MOST people did dungeons MoP needs to learn that this status quo isn't going to change no matter how much Blizzard tries. With LFR they've -
    - kept the status quo by giving us raids that are like dungeons in that you can pug them and still be able to get through it with far less effort than a normal raid. And they're ran by a rather large part of the wow community.
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  15. #375
    So then what if they do add a few new dungeons, then what? You'd get bored of both in a week. It was pointless of them to add a few new ones so soon into the expansion. Instead we get a massive new raid. I think most people will forgive Blizzard this time.

  16. #376
    Okay, let's just define what the heart of the issue is.
    No new dungeons means no catch up mechanism for people returning for 5.2, or people who are trying to change characters in between tiers. The question then becomes, is there an alternative planned? Because I think we can all agree LFR is insufficient for that purpose, as is rep grinding and current dungeons.

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    Does anyone think they could have combined the Brawler's Guild idea with dailies to make it its own content type, rivaling the likes of dungeons/raiding/pvp?

    What do dailies bring? Quests, small rewards, and story.
    What does the BGuild bring? Challenge, and fun.

    Seems like a natural combination in my eyes. For example, you could start out doing 4-5 dailies for a certain faction, and then they'd direct you to an arena with a larger problem where you'd have to use your gear/skills to defeat the monster, resulting in a larger reward than the previous dailies, and unlocking some relevant story. They could have even added in vehicle/flying vehicle elements into it sparingly, to spruce it up. Maybe even change the event slightly if doing it in a group.

    Hell, they could have added in some feat of strength achievements where you could trigger a boss fight's 'hard mode'.

    Does that sound better than dailies?

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    And BGs aren't? How about raids or dungeons? There is no right or wrong reason to play the game and you cannot decide that dailies are a "horrible" reason.
    I didn't say it was wrong, I said it was horrible. Choosing to be part of the Westboro Baptist Church isn't wrong (it's your choice to do so), but it would a horrible decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    So then what if they do add a few new dungeons, then what? You'd get bored of both in a week. It was pointless of them to add a few new ones so soon into the expansion. Instead we get a massive new raid. I think most people will forgive Blizzard this time.
    I'm fine with not getting new dungeons next patch, but as I've understood it their plan is to not add any 5mans through patches anymore, because we can now get gear through LFR.

  20. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    - kept the status quo by giving us raids that are like dungeons in that you can pug them and still be able to get through it with far less effort than a normal raid. And they're ran by a rather large part of the wow community.
    Actually LFR is probably the biggest failure in recent MMO history. It gives ppl the entitlement that they will get X amount of bosses down without even knowing how they work. Now.. thats a disgrace and should never be added to any MMO game. Even BLizzard is now forced to make every single mechanic of bosses so nub friendly that ppl can't wipe LFRs with it.

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