No new dungeons, really Blizzard?

[Moradim]

they want you to gear up in lfr which is hilarious. LFR is now the catch up mechanism for this game. My advice is that you unsub if you don't like these changes and my dearest and most devout wish is that millions do so we can get past this bullshit model. The developers have given into virtually every whim of the no life loser crowd. I hope it bites them in the ass.

which is a big problem. LFR is *terrible* for gearing. if not for regular raiding on my paladin with my guild, I would never make any notable progress. my lock alt has done terrace a bunch, still no luck. 15% to win loot is still an 85% chance to not win, which is massive. so my paladin is basically ready for 5.2, and my lock/rogue are essentially in limbo.

I can deal with rng, i've raided for quite some time. but if LFR is how blizzard expects people to gear up alts...it's not going to be ideal.

[TheWindWalker]

I would also be feeling very good about myself if I had quit WOW years ago. And I would keep coming back here to see what pile of junk it has turned into. =) Sadly... I bought annual pass...

Saying all but the word I've figured out what you're up to. If that's what you claim to feel like, then that's perfectly fine. Last time I'll bother responding to you, as well.

[MoanaLisa]

which is a big problem. LFR is *terrible* for gearing. if not for regular raiding on my paladin with my guild, I would never make any notable progress. my lock alt has done terrace a bunch, still no luck. 15% to win loot is still an 85% chance to not win, which is massive. so my paladin is basically ready for 5.2, and my lock/rogue are essentially in limbo.

I can deal with rng, i've raided for quite some time. but if LFR is how blizzard expects people to gear up alts...it's not going to be ideal.

I agree that if they leave things in T14-LFR the way they are now it won't work well for catching up. They may up the drop rates once T15 is out or put the gear you need to get to T15-LFR on valor or something.

Just have to wait and see.

[Thimagryn]

But they have nothing to do with trinity based progression system. Its that extra that ppl can and probably would do if they were not spending most of their time beeing forced into doing other stuff if they want to progress further than LFR difficulty of raid content.

Pet battles and raiding don't have anything to do with each other. Pulling pet battle content for more raid content isn't going to please people who are invested in collecting pets and raising pet ranks, you'd just be pissing off the wrong audience. It's a lose-lose scenario.

[Karazee]

in bc the only content was dungeons and raids O-O

Ogir'la dailies
Shatari Skyguard dailies
Netherwing dailies

What we need now is more dailies

[nyc81991]

5.2 will have a new raid, a new zone with dailies and a world boss, scenarios and more.

What would making a new 5man actually add to the game? The time is better spent making other things for 5.2

[Deleted]

5.2 will have a new raid, a new zone with dailies and a world boss, scenarios and more.

What would making a new 5man actually add to the game? The time is better spent making other things for 5.2

I'd rather have a dungeon than scenarios.

[Elysara]

Another perfect example of how Blizzard can't do anything right according to the complaining crybabies in the community...

Exactly

- A few dungeons = Really Blizzard? Only 3 dungeons?

- No dungeons = Really Blizzard? No dungeons? Are you that lazy

Seriously, Blizzard could perform sexual acts on everyone and people would still be displeased, "Only a BJ? Really Blizzard?"

[Count Zero]

I think new dungeons with free t14 epic quality gear will come in 5.3 which is a good move from blizzard side, extending life cycle of t14 raids a bit more.

As much as I love new dungeons (one of my favorite parts of each patch they come in) ... basically, I have to agree with this logic.

They don't want older raids devauled as much. Maybe they could have tried having new dungeons that drop slightly-worse than t14 gear, but ... oh well. If this is how they're doing it, I understand where they're coming from. Maybe I don't love it, but I understand it, and it makes sense.

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Exactly

- A few dungeons = Really Blizzard? Only 3 dungeons?

- No dungeons = Really Blizzard? No dungeons? Are you that lazy

Seriously, Blizzard could perform sexual acts on everyone and people would still be displeased, "Only a BJ? Really Blizzard?"

Haha ... this is something I've joked about a lot. Blizz could send every subscriber a check for 100 dollars and there would be a tidal wave of, "Really, Blizz, you couldn't give us 150 ??"

[Deleted]

The dungeons were actually challenging and most of the players didn't even have access to heroic modes. Normals were wiping them. Why offer new dungeons when moost of the player base hadn't even finished normal never mind heroic.

Also don't forget that those dungeons took time. They weren't 10 minutes faceroll dumbed down for lowest denominator that we have now. Completing 1 dungeon a day felt good. Because of that dungeons were memorable.

Content lasted for way longer than it lasts now, so there was no need for new dungeons every patch. It was completely different game, it was MMORPG.

[Pann]

they want you to gear up in lfr which is hilarious. LFR is now the catch up mechanism for this game. My advice is that you unsub if you don't like these changes and my dearest and most devout wish is that millions do so we can get past this bullshit model. The developers have given into virtually every whim of the no life loser crowd. I hope it bites them in the ass.

I don't think they have given in to any crowd, no life or not, but I get the feeling that they simply do not know what the player base wants and this leads them to desperately going from one extreme to another. Coupled with the fact that they seem unwilling to put anymore than 15-20% of the money they bring in back into WOW the foreseeable future is not looking too rosy.

[Deleted]

Exactly

- A few dungeons = Really Blizzard? Only 3 dungeons?

- No dungeons = Really Blizzard? No dungeons? Are you that lazy

Seriously, Blizzard could perform sexual acts on everyone and people would still be displeased, "Only a BJ? Really Blizzard?"

Ehm, why would you think that, if people complained about too few dungeons, they would be happier with no dungeons at all? If people complain about too few dungeons, wouldn't the right move be to add more? And I don't think anyone has ever complained about too many dungeons.

[Imnick]

I don't think they have given in to any crowd, no life or not, but I get the feeling that they simply do not know what the player base wants and this leads them to desperately going from one extreme to another. Coupled with the fact that they seem unwilling to put anymore than 15-20% of the money they bring in back into WOW the foreseeable future is not looking too rosy.

This is a thing that confuses me in general, why would anyone think that blatantly making up statistics and then not providing sources makes their argument stronger?
It makes it far weaker! Even if the rest of the post had a point it would discredit the whole thing!

[Pann]

This is a thing that confuses me in general, why would anyone think that blatantly making up statistics and then not providing sources makes their argument stronger?
It makes it far weaker! Even if the rest of the post had a point it would discredit the whole thing!

What statistics have I made up? If you are talking about the money that is reinvested into WOW it is clearly there in the financial results they release every quarter.

[Isheria]

This is probably the greatest decision blizzard has ever made, you know not invalidating the previous tier the moment a new is released like they did in the past 2 expansions wotlk and cata.
Just because you want to gear up your main and your 15th alt up to the current tier in less then a week doesn't mean it was right and should stay that way. It would be very nice also if the game moved more into a main centric approach instead of the alt centric approach we currently have, so we won't have countless fotm ppl that jump ship to another class the moment the one they're currently playing ain't top dog anymore.

[Xilurm]

I like mop, but I think our sub fee is progressively getting less value over time.

look at the amount of dungeons per xpac from bc onward, theres an alarming decline. and thats even INCLUDING remakes that are essentially just the same instances with new npcs.

yes 5.2 has a big raid, and im happy about that. but is that an excuse to put zero effort towards everything else? after i finish my raid for the week, what do I have to do other than dailies?

make new dungeons, and make scenarios more appealing. that would be a good start.

Oh but your sub fee IS getting it's value. Just because it doesn't give YOU the content YOU want doesn't mean they don't release content.

[Justignoreme]

New Dungeons are one of the few PvE aspects I've always been looking forward to. Yes it's mostly 1-2 per patch but running them and getting the achievments was usually something I enjoyed. Now they don't even bother to do that anymore, they're getting neglected in favour of their crappy scenarios whom I in all honesty despise since I have to dps instead of heal.

People wanted catchup gearing to occur outside of dungeons. This keeps LFR relevant in future expansions. The only problem is it does nothing to address rapid gear up which was the point of dungeon grinds but it's w/e.

[Ferocity]

Haha ... this is something I've joked about a lot. Blizz could send every subscriber a check for 100 dollars and there would be a tidal wave of, "Really, Blizz, you couldn't give us 150 ??"

Ironically, your "joke" fits this discussion very well but from other way around.

Do you realize that people will pay upto 100 dollars till 5.2 only to have more dailies? 12 bosses raid doesn't sound bad, but for some reason people started to take it as some kind of "gift" after getting used to 5-6 bosses tiers and make it as excuse to have no interesting content (and severe lack of dungeon content) outside of once-a-week raid.

"Really, Blizz, you couldn't give us some dungeons for our 100$?"

[Pann]

Oh but your sub fee IS getting it's value. Just because it doesn't give YOU the content YOU want doesn't mean they don't release content.

He never said that they do not release content. Value is an entirely subjective matter, just because you feel that you are getting value for your money does not mean that someone else feels the same. I fail to see what point you are trying to make, it would appear that currently you are happy with the state of the game and the proposed future content. If complaints by people such as Moradim are addressed and Blizzard release even more content in future then surely the game is even better for you and the players that were complaining are also happy.

[Maleric]

True.. you just dont get the part where ppl willl do the internet porn stuff first and never bother with relationship. Thats why real raiding in WOW is dying cause less players have any reason to bother doing it. The can jerk off to LFR thinking it fullfills all their needs.

I agree, but at the same time LFR is great for low time/interest players and organized raiding still offers the same challenge, group interaction, and depth that it always has. Yea it sucks that a subset of players get confused by the superficial similarities between the two, but that's the risk of having options. Deleting LFR because dumb people think it's the same as raiding seems like an extreme move.