I'm curious about what the High Elves think of the Forsaken. The Blood Elves are sympathetic because of Sylvannas. The High Elves have that same connection.
Pretty sure there was a lot of "whining" when the humans of Lordaeron were turned into undead. Where there's tragedy, there is grief. But the Night Elves don't constantly complain about how bad fate has screwed them over. The new world tree has been blessed some time ago, and while the Night Elves are still mortal, if you look into it just for a bit you'll find that Night Elves have already accepted it.
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Nice argument, really. Doesn't answer my question at all, but it was still a compelling read. So I ask again, where are the Night Elves crying over their past? Are they running around Darnassus "Oh, the Sundering of the world 10000 years ago, I still cannot understand, why does bad stuff happen to us?". Are masses of Night Elves breaking into tears in the middle of battle "Oh why was our immortality lost to us, why is fate so cruel to us?"
The Night Elves are probably one of the toughest races on Azeroth. They've been there for a long time, they've witnessed a lot, they fought a lot of battles, they beat down many foes, they've faced many dangers and they brought forth a lot of skilled fighters.
Illidan was a Night Elf. He stayed super emo for thousands of years about being imprisoned and Tyrande not loving him.
Illidan is quite the exception.
Traditionally, Night Elves seem to snivel less, and murder more. 'Emo' doesn't exactly describe them. Whether or not their own lust for vengeance is an admirable trait or a despicable one depends on your point of view, I gather...
When push comes to shove, Night Elves are still pretty much trolls.
I get it dude, you're a Night Elf, and a Alliance fanboy. Nothing wrong with that. Kudos to you, but don't sit there and talk like Alliance races are noble, and how bad Horde is. There's been plenty materials stating how hateful and introverted Night Elves are. "There does seem to be some culture clashes between the night elves and the other races of the Alliance. Traditionalists within night elven society, notably former Archdruid Fandral Staghelm and Warden Maiev Shadowsong, have shown open antagonism or contempt for what they consider to be "lesser races" and "outlanders" (from http://www.wowpedia.org/Night_elves).
Also, I like how you're sarcastic towards Blood Elves yet, Night Elves banished the use of arcane magic for how many years? Redemption my ass! You guys almost blew up the world and ruined Azeroth, and then look down on your own people that left and still use magic?? Really? How pitiful is that. You guys had 3 cool Night Elves, and 1 of them went mad, 1 decided to sleep for years, and 1 is just sitting there looking pretty while some of your most notable leaders *cough* Fandral *cough* schemed against your own society. But yeah the Forsaken are evil & terrible yada yada yada zzzz
Oh my, it turns out there was a war there, and someone had to kill someone. And what a horror, they were good at it and fought without hesitation!
Examples. Raised mages and militia fought together with regular troops. Marshal Redpath and Lilian Voss were let go wherever they wanted.Then we have them enslaving others despite the fact they as a race love to comment on free will, which I call hypocrisy.
Isn't it normal to think about themselves? Do humans think about well-being of orcs?I do appreciate the Forsaken have a POV. However just because they have an opinion and/or POV doesn't make it right. I certainly don't think their POV and goals benefit anybody but themselves.
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In their defense, they didn't actually say Night Elves were 'nice.' Just tough.
Humans are also bloody tough. More so than Night Elves. I'd say humans would actually take the cake in the toughness match, possibly being outshone only by the Silithid.
Still; the Night Elves are pretty tough. Just not very nice.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
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Most of my characters are Night Elf, Human or Draenei. I also have two Worgen, but I don't play Gnomes and Dwarves, I never really felt like it. On the Horde side I have less characters, but somehow I play every race, even Goblins. I'm not an Alliance fanboy but recent events make me speak out against the Horde. I would say that the Night Elves are my favourite race, but everything I stated about Night Elves was the unbiased truth. Nobody can deny that they are strong fighters, and painting them as winy saps is just chldish. Just like it is to discredit my opinion because my main is Alliance. Your character is a blood elf, so I can just call you a Horde fanboy as well.
The Alliance's races theme is nobility. Sure there's a bad egg here and there. But generally I would describe them as noble and the Horde races as "wild", to try and not make it sound judgemental.
No, they're not hateful. Not more or less than any other race. If there is one race I would call hateful, it's the Forsaken. The Night Elves looked down on other races in the past, but the events of WC3 showed them that mortals can earn their respect. They united with them, as they allied with the humans, dwarves, gnomes, draenei and worgen during WoW.
Introverted? What are they some kid living in the basement playing videogames all day? I don't think introverted is really a fitting term in this context. They seem to be distrustful of outsiders. But I don't see that as a bad thing. That doesn't contradict the concept of nobility. Actually nobility sometimes comes with a bit of arrogance. I mean if you think you're noble, you're probably gonna think less of people who can't keep up with your standards. That doesn't mean that the Horde is free of arrogance either. Especially the Blood Elves, as elves usually are arrogant. You can thank Tolkien for that.
If you can provide me with a couple of sources where the Night Elves are hateful, maybe I can adress that, but I think hateful is a term that doesn't describe them very well. Do they hate it when the Horde destroys their land in Ashenvale? Do they hate the Horde for what they've done in Theramore? Do they hate the Highborne for blowing up the Well and bringing the Sundering about? Sure. Everybody hates, when there's a reason for it. Like Lor'themar hates the Alliance for throwing out the Sunreavers, even though that was justified. Like everyone else in the Horde even now hates Garrosh.
People hate. But I don't see the Night Elves sitting around in Darnassus and hating on everyone and everything in the world. They hate those who have deserved their hate. Like everyone else.
Of course there are. There are cultural clashes between almost all races. There are cultural clashes between Forsaken or the Blood Elves and the other races as well.
Oh you mean that guy who was corrupted by the old gods and that bitch who killed her own people?
Uhm, it was the Highborne who blew up the well, who later became the High Elves, who later became the Blood Elves. So if you're blaming someone for the Sundering it should be your people, not the Night Elves, as you pointed out, they have banished those exact people, who were responsible for it. Those people didn't leave as you paint it to be. They were thrown out for exactly that reason. And even after the Sundering they haven't learned one bit. They still use magic, even became addicted to it and resorted to meddling with demons.
Now you're just being childish.
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First you're making fun of Illidan for feeling bad about being imprisoned for 10000 years and then you go ahead and defend him and explain how 10000 years seems too hard of a punishment?
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For immortal beings they don't know how to let things go. Illidan stuck in his brooding for 10,000 years and Malfurion stuck in his anger for 10,000 years. Also, the Night Elves in general for their distaste for the High Elves/Blood Elves thousands of years after the Sundering.
Merely a setback. Death in WoW is as much a revolving door as it is in comic books.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Illidan_Stormrage#DeathDuring the Blizzcon 2010 World of Warcraft Quest and Lore Q&A panel, Chris Metzen was asked about the possibility of Illidan being revived or redeemed, and Metzen replied that it was something he would really like to do and that he is a sucker for a good redemption story.[12]
At the Blizzcon 2011 World of Warcraft Open Q&A panel, Metzen was again asked about reviving Illidan. He asked the crowd if it was something they would like to see, the crowd exploded and cheered in response, and he said they would work on it.[13] He later revisited the topic during the World of Warcraft Lore Q&A panel, after being asked about the dead bodies of important villains. Metzen indicated that based on fan reaction they would most likely bring Illidan back, and would have to decide on a way to revive him, noting that his corpse would be very significant.[13]
Jesus, you're almost as annoying as I am.