The price of playing on a pvp server is the constant threat of death from players. If it is so bad you cannot lvl or quest then maybe that isn't the type of server you should be on. The system isn't broken that server selection was just not the one for you.
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All I can say is "Suck it up or Give it up." You made the choice to roll on a PvP server under the pretense that PvP wouldn't happen. You choose to do nothing more than bitch about it, when there are alternatives and fixes to your problem.
I also have to agree with what Lucetia said. You are blaming everyone else for problems that you have created for yourself.
The "abuse, harassment, and general douchebaggery" is explicitly detailed in the PvP realm policy as legitimate gameplay, as the defining characteristic that causes this ruleset to differ from the PvE realm policy. That's why they list corpse camping, tricking people into flagging, and ganking, specifically.Originally Posted by PvP Realm Policy
That's what PvP servers are FOR. Not structured, equal-level, fair and honorable PvP. That's PvE servers, and why they have restrictions against this sort of thing.
PvP servers are Fight Club. Fight Club involves getting punched in the face. No fair joining Fight Club and then complaining about all the face-punching.
It isn't that I refuse to understand, you can't seem keep your facts straight.Your ignorance and refusal to understand my writing annoys me
One of your key points to support your entitlement theory is that your play experience changed because of CRZ, but you can't be consistent about when you started. Here you're a Vanilla veteran, in your other thread you say "When I first rolled my characters on a PvP realm, I did so 2 or 3 years ago" and that ain't Vanilla. Which is it?
You also wrote that you were 8 when you started. That makes you somewhere between 10 and 14. You may be a reasonably talented writer for your age or you have been less than honest. The possibility of the latter makes me wonder what your actual purpose in starting these threads is. Is $25 too big a chunk of your allowance or do you just enjoy the drama?
If you're a top tier player, you seem to have an odd amount of difficulty leveling. You don't have any friends or guild? There's nobody to help you farm gear, give you overwatch while questing or help you hunt down gankers? You don't understand that Expel Harm *isn't* your only heal?
Reroll on a PVE server. Today, that's easier than ever. Most of your achievements and mounts are account bound, money isn't that hard to make and Blizzard has added ways for you to keep in touch with friends. I've always found PVP realms mildly annoying, but that's the way some people like things. It isn't my cup of tea, so I play on a PVE realm. Let the folks who like the PVP environment have their own fun.
Man up and pay the 25 dollars, if ur friends dont wanna follow just transfer to an PVE server in same battlegroup...problem fixed.
And if u cant afford the 25 dollars, u got bigger problems than being killed in a video game
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It's been stated over and over that any player should have been fully aware of what they were potentially getting into on a PvP server when they created their character.
It is up to you to decide whether your friends are worth staying or not.
And let it be known, I am in the same situation. I would roll on a PvE server if my friends had been there, but they weren't. We've decided to stay on PvP servers, and you know what I did? I manned up, got some mediocre PvP gear and a PvP spec, and I will move on and do something else for a while if I'm being bothered.
At this point, the only thing more silly than complaining about PvP on PvP realms is expecting any kind of sympathy from the sorts of people that play on said realms, regardless of circumstances.
Seriously?Yes I know you can hide behind blue posts that's fine. I don't care and frankly the pissed off customers don't care either. CRZ and "pvp" experience is not what many players are after and unless something is done to address this issue it will simple be another valid reason for players to unsub. At the end of the day you either offer them some kind of carrot or they get mad and hold it against the company. Blizzard IMHO can ill afford even more PR problems.
They're still the most popular MMO on the market several times over. They could lose 75% of their player base and still be wildly successful in an ongoing sense.
And yes; players can quit. Or just roll on the PvE servers they actually prefer and which exist to provide that experience. The issue here isn't that Blizzard's done something wrong. Everything you're complaining about is how PvP realms are intended to be. It says so right in the realm policy. If you don't like that, you shouldn't be on those realms. It would be very easy for you, and other players, to simply play on the server type you prefer, rather than trying to ruin PvP servers for those who actually do enjoy the ruleset.
Nobody's saying you have to like PvP servers. Nor are you in any way forced to play on them. You continuing to do so is YOUR choice. And yes, you hold the responsibility for the consequences of that decision.
Blizzard doesn't have to change it because they already have the alternative available. You having made the wrong choice does not make one of the options "wrong". It's like you took an airplane flight, and there was a salad option or a burger option for the in-flight meal. You picked the burger. And when it arrived, you complained that it wasn't a vegan veggie burger, but beef. You had a choice, with a vegan option. If you wanted a vegan meal, you should have gotten the salad. Picking the burger doesn't mean it should be automatically vegan for you, it means you ordered something without actually knowing what you were picking.
The root of this issue is that the players made the wrong choice, and are facing the consequences of that decision. Rather than take responsibility for making a mistake, they're demanding that Blizzard give them a free redo. That's not really fair to Blizzard.
This is one of the main reasons im glad RP-PVP are excluded from CRZ apart from the Realid invites, as much as i detest questing in general atleast i have the option... unlike various friends who have shown me their realms and its just pathetic that blizzard is allowing what CRZ has done to WPVP.
In vanilla when i picked this server If i got attacked while lvling i had their name and i could get them back either when i rezzed or with a main if they were higher lvl, with the expansions WPvP happened alot less often and they could fly away leading to more delayed revenge.
If i had CRZ...(thank christ i dont) randomdk90 from another server that i dont know and cant kill back and will never see again just killed me, repeat 50 times with other random people until bored from the rez timer...
thats how alt lvling now works if u want to quest
its not the same game as vanilla and any argument to say PVP happened deal with it are missing the point.
Being on a PVP realm shouldnt mean that anyone who isnt max lvl can only play the sit waiting to rez side of World of Warcraft.
BGs (for ILVL) and then instances shouldnt be the only way to lvl or gear your character until 90
Is it now ridiculous for people on PVP realms to be able to quest IN AN MMO?
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***Granted mine is the more wrong one there are still definitely two acting forces here.***
If your issue is "people are ganking and being asshats", then you should never have rolled on a PvP server, and should take this opportunity to move to a server whose ruleset suits you. This isn't a big deal, nor is it a negative statement about you as a person; both types of server exist to serve different types of customer, who have different expectations and desires. And that's okay.
The issue we're having is that there are people, on PvP servers, who would prefer the PvE ruleset, and are demanding a free transfer and/or the PvP ruleset to be abolished in favor of PvE server rules everywhere. And neither of those options are fair. Blizzard shouldn't give you a free transfer because you made a mistake. And they shouldn't abolish the PvP ruleset because some players prefer PvE servers.
Wanting a transfer just means that it's desirable to you, it doesn't mean you're owed one. If it's not worth the price to transfer or the time investment to reroll, then what you're saying is "it's not a big enough deal for me to do either of those". I don't see any justification for demanding a free transfer or that the rules be changed, when CRZ just re-enabled what the realm policy has always said is the risk you take on a PvP realm.
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