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  1. #201
    if you don't think season 9 warriors and frost dks were retard something is wrong with you. Rogues were god mode in cata as well do u even pvp at all.
    You're right except for 2 things.

    1. My name is spelt "God" not "Loucious-sama".
    2. I'm not a man, because man is inherently flawed. I am in fact a being so far beyond your comprehension that archaic constraints like flesh, blood, time and consequently, gender, have no meaning to me.

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    - Half of the specs in the game being utterly useless - Not true at all.
    - The utter chaos of 40 man raids - Chaos? Trying put a negative spin on 40 man raids without any elaboration? most content didnt require 40 man until late AQ40 and Naxx, there wasnt BiS lists so upgrades were upgrades.
    - Taking a month to farm a thousand gold - Ah yea, those days when you actually used your professions to make gold, although I cant think of anything other than a mount you'd need a thousand gold for back then, and going of your calculations that'd be 12 mounts a year... not bad.
    - Jumping around an entire continent to complete a quest chain for one zone - Its called exploration, adventure, the game began at level 1 in vanilla not at level cap where you sit in your capital city all day and wait for LFR to pop after doing those awesome dailies.
    - Extremely badly itemized gear - Low item level drops were poorly itemized to make raid progress steady, its not like now where level 40 items are better than T1, you can only look back when talking about this because at the time it wasnt an issue, if you had blues, upgrades were upgrades and that pushed your guild further.
    - Complete lack of PvP balance - I hear Arena is nicely balanced atm, 2s especially. Many variables as to why PvP in Vanilla seemed imbalanced, you dont seem to elaborate.


    Come to think of it, most of what have said doesnt seem to come from someone who played Vanilla, more like someone who reads the forums alot.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by hitmannoob View Post
    if you don't think season 9 warriors and frost dks were retard something is wrong with you. Rogues were god mode in cata as well do u even pvp at all.
    While there are always strong and weak classes, the general balance in 3v3 isn't all that bad, especially with the nerfs mages and warriors are getting. As much as people don't like to believe it, skill still makes a huge difference. It's widely accepted (if you believe the forums) that Disc priests and rogues are terrible right now but somehow on Cyclone the rank 1 team is RMP. Granted they are an outlier compared to the number of shattertreeplay and KFC teams, it still shows that good players do good no matter what.

  4. #204
    The game was better when the community wasn't so entitled and toxic. All I can see is a bunch of angry, clueless and abusive teenagers raging at everyone else for not playing the way they do.

    The game in Vanilla and TBC and WotLK was nothing like you remember it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkbark View Post
    The game was better when the community wasn't so entitled and toxic. All I can see is a bunch of angry, clueless and abusive teenagers raging at everyone else for not playing the way they do.

    The game in Vanilla and TBC and WotLK was nothing like you remember it.
    TBC and WoTLK where both not even on the same level as vanilla.

    Everyone says it is just nostalgia no it is not. The game was simply better and more in depth. It was a MMO. WoW has turned into a lobby game.

  6. #206
    Yeah it was did u read the Wotlk forums omg content is so easy. The community for the most part has been pretty crap the only good thing, I remember about vanilla is barrens chat was where all the trolls were.
    You're right except for 2 things.

    1. My name is spelt "God" not "Loucious-sama".
    2. I'm not a man, because man is inherently flawed. I am in fact a being so far beyond your comprehension that archaic constraints like flesh, blood, time and consequently, gender, have no meaning to me.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    Because I am not feed the troll ass that you are? You come into every thread looking to bash people is your life so sad you have nothing to do with your 19k post count?
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    Back on topic everyone thinks we can't do that because the casuals will threaten to leave! Honestly getting more hardcore guilds on twitch streaming and getting the game out there will bring the subs up. People not becoming bored and always on improving their character will improve subs. I hate this counter argument " Casuals will leave QQ "
    Dude, honestly, everything you are saying in this thread is dumb. All your ideas on how to bring players back to WoW are actually the very ideas that would drive players away. Blizzard might gain 1,000 players with your ideas but would lose millions in the process. Guess what they're going to do? Not use your shit ideas, that's what. Get over yourself. All I'm getting from your posts are "Look at me. I was a special little snowflake once and I want to be again." Making this game super hard would kill it faster then you could blink. Then you'd be bitching about how your precious game is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitmannoob View Post
    Yeah it was did u read the Wotlk forums omg content is so easy. The community for the most part has been pretty crap the only good thing, I remember about vanilla is barrens chat was where all the trolls were.
    You never really played in Vanilla then bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morbownz View Post
    - Half of the specs in the game being utterly useless - Not true at all.
    - The utter chaos of 40 man raids - Chaos? Trying put a negative spin on 40 man raids without any elaboration? most content didnt require 40 man until late AQ40 and Naxx, there wasnt BiS lists so upgrades were upgrades.
    - Taking a month to farm a thousand gold - Ah yea, those days when you actually used your professions to make gold, although I cant think of anything other than a mount you'd need a thousand gold for back then, and going of your calculations that'd be 12 mounts a year... not bad.
    - Jumping around an entire continent to complete a quest chain for one zone - Its called exploration, adventure, the game began at level 1 in vanilla not at level cap where you sit in your capital city all day and wait for LFR to pop after doing those awesome dailies.
    - Extremely badly itemized gear - Low item level drops were poorly itemized to make raid progress steady, its not like now where level 40 items are better than T1, you can only look back when talking about this because at the time it wasnt an issue, if you had blues, upgrades were upgrades and that pushed your guild further.
    - Complete lack of PvP balance - I hear Arena is nicely balanced atm, 2s especially. Many variables as to why PvP in Vanilla seemed imbalanced, you dont seem to elaborate.

    Come to think of it, most of what have said doesnt seem to come from someone who played Vanilla, more like someone who reads the forums alot.
    They weren't? Please point me to all the hybrid damage specs that were oh-so useful. I have vivid memories of paladins exclusively being used as buffbots. And no, while not all content was 40 man the content that was, was difficult to organize groups for, and stressful to manage. Not to mention all the bugs, server lag, etc.

    As for the gold, the exploration, etc. I play this game to have fun, not as a second job. You might call exploration, taking forever to farm obscure mats to make items, having to put up with badly itemized gear "fun", but to many and I would hazard most, such endeavours are just grinds entailing large periods of repetitive tasks and wasteful travel time.

    No, the game as it stands is not perfect. But it is vastly improved. I do not have to spam trade for hours for a dungeon group, for instance.

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    Whats the point of a game when its not hard, when it dosnt put a smile on your mouth when you get that item that you have been wishing for the last 3-4 weeks.
    Just the good feeling you get form downing a boss after weeks and weeks of trys was even better then it is today when you win a BiS item.

    Thats why it was so great in TBC. The HC ppl got what they did want, and for all the casual players the "world" stil had this magical feeling about it, that it was some unexplored areas, and that you one day might go there if you gave it your best shoot.

    Even as a raider in one of the top 50 guilds in the world at that point, i stil didnt get all the BiS items, and you know what, that didnt bother me. Why? I was there for the challenge and for the fighting on recount and wws.

    If you can get all the loot in a short time and see all the bosses within days via LFR... takes the game out of the game. It more like a daily quest then acctual fun/challenge or w/e you wanna call it.

    About the communety i totaly agree that LFG and LFR has destroyd it. You dont need to speak with other ppl, its like in Diablo. You just q up, kill stuff, and leave. ppl dont even say "hi" or "bye" anymore.
    By removing it the game with become a social game again, yes it did take longer to make grps if you didnt know ppl, but the rewards was much better.
    Another good this about it was that your ingame name actully ment something, and you could not afford to act like a retard like thet wast majorety is today.

    Only thing i dont want back is the 6 hour long AV q, and the 6 hour long games :-p
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  11. #211
    Watch a video of the first cthun kill then watch a video of the first kill of yogg saron no lights.
    You're right except for 2 things.

    1. My name is spelt "God" not "Loucious-sama".
    2. I'm not a man, because man is inherently flawed. I am in fact a being so far beyond your comprehension that archaic constraints like flesh, blood, time and consequently, gender, have no meaning to me.

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Morbownz View Post
    - Half of the specs in the game being utterly useless - Not true at all.
    - The utter chaos of 40 man raids - Chaos? Trying put a negative spin on 40 man raids without any elaboration? most content didnt require 40 man until late AQ40 and Naxx, there wasnt BiS lists so upgrades were upgrades.
    - Taking a month to farm a thousand gold - Ah yea, those days when you actually used your professions to make gold, although I cant think of anything other than a mount you'd need a thousand gold for back then, and going of your calculations that'd be 12 mounts a year... not bad.
    - Jumping around an entire continent to complete a quest chain for one zone - Its called exploration, adventure, the game began at level 1 in vanilla not at level cap where you sit in your capital city all day and wait for LFR to pop after doing those awesome dailies.
    - Extremely badly itemized gear - Low item level drops were poorly itemized to make raid progress steady, its not like now where level 40 items are better than T1, you can only look back when talking about this because at the time it wasnt an issue, if you had blues, upgrades were upgrades and that pushed your guild further.
    - Complete lack of PvP balance - I hear Arena is nicely balanced atm, 2s especially. Many variables as to why PvP in Vanilla seemed imbalanced, you dont seem to elaborate.


    Come to think of it, most of what have said doesnt seem to come from someone who played Vanilla, more like someone who reads the forums alot.
    Lets list the useless specs for raiding in Vanilla.

    Druids - Balance, Feral
    Hunters - Survival
    Mages - Arcane, Fire in MC and BWL due to resists
    Paladins - Prot, Ret
    Priests - Disc
    Shamans- Elemental, Enhancement
    Rogues - Assassination, subtlety
    Warlocks - Demonology, affliction
    Warriors - Arms

    If you were any of the above specs than you were just gimping yourself. Of course some people "did" use these specs, but they were broken compared to the others.

    Not to mention warriors were the ONLY tanks in the game. Then blizzard decides it would be fun to throw in a fight requiring 8 tanks (4HM). We should also go back to paladin blessings only lasting 5 minutes and requiring to be single target buffs, that adds "flavor" to the class.

    I believe the badly itemized gear is the stupid stuff like warrior plate and rogue leaving having spirit on it....

  13. #213
    Probably the thing I miss the most from Vanilla was the quick response to tickets.
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    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr Storm View Post
    Dude, honestly, everything you are saying in this thread is dumb. All your ideas on how to bring players back to WoW are actually the very ideas that would drive players away. Blizzard might gain 1,000 players with your ideas but would lose millions in the process. Guess what they're going to do? Not use your shit ideas, that's what. Get over yourself. All I'm getting from your posts are "Look at me. I was a special little snowflake once and I want to be again." Making this game super hard would kill it faster then you could blink. Then you'd be bitching about how your precious game is dead.

    Someone is scared his LFR epics might be gone! Get mad bro honestly. This was never about me wanting to be special that is a casual sided point that is always brought up. Making epics/mounts/quests harder to get/complete will make the actual reward wayyyyy more sweeter. These instant epics,mounts,titles,pets, and other rewards have no meaning. Cool another mount, Awesome another title. They mean nothing without a little effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    Someone is scared his LFR epics might be gone! Get mad bro honestly. This was never about me wanting to be special that is a casual sided point that is always brought up. Making epics/mounts/quests harder to get/complete will make the actual reward wayyyyy more sweeter. These instant epics,mounts,titles,pets, and other rewards have no meaning. Cool another mount, Awesome another title. They mean nothing without a little effort.
    Protip: You're playing an internet game, even the stuff that takes time doesn't mean anything.

    There is a difference between challenging and engaging content and the rewards you recieve from it, and a grind. Vanilla's rewards were an example of the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    Someone is scared his LFR epics might be gone! Get mad bro honestly. This was never about me wanting to be special that is a casual sided point that is always brought up. Making epics/mounts/quests harder to get/complete will make the actual reward wayyyyy more sweeter. These instant epics,mounts,titles,pets, and other rewards have no meaning. Cool another mount, Awesome another title. They mean nothing without a little effort.
    I don't care if I get infracted or not but, it's quite obvious you are only here to either troll or prove what an amazing douche you are.

    Nothing in the game is "instant'. Even to get epics in LFR, you still need to put in some minimal effort. Pixels are serious business, man! In the end, everything you do in-game is meaningless.

    Seriously though, it's a game with 10 million people. You can't expect every last person to play the exact same way and like it. Variety is the spice of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Protip: You're playing an internet game, even the stuff that takes time doesn't mean anything.

    There is a difference between challenging and engaging content and the rewards you recieve from it, and a grind. Vanilla's rewards were an example of the latter.

    LFR is challenging and engaging content?

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    And now all I can see is the mentioned people going on rants with their anecdotal evidence and supposed facts.

    Guys, no-one's saying this game is perfect. But can we actually start having debates like civilized people instead of dribbling at eachother?

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    I think the game is quite enjoyable now, to be quite honest. I'm having the most fun that I've had since BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    LFR is challenging and engaging content?
    LFR is the ONLY content possible in game?

    Although I do move alot more in LFR than I ever did in half of Vanilla raiding...

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