The Game Was Better When.....

[Argorwal]

Someone is scared his LFR epics might be gone! Get mad bro honestly. This was never about me wanting to be special that is a casual sided point that is always brought up. Making epics/mounts/quests harder to get/complete will make the actual reward wayyyyy more sweeter. These instant epics,mounts,titles,pets, and other rewards have no meaning. Cool another mount, Awesome another title. They mean nothing without a little effort.

The hard content is still there. Blizzard just also decided to add an easier mode as well so people less skilled, less time etc., can still get to see the raids they designed. Just because the gear from LFR has purple text doesn't make it anywhere close to heroic raiding. This has the added benefit of them being able to make all of the heroic bosses hard instead of just some of them like Vanilla and TBC. No more BT where you go 3/9 for just walking into the instance or worse, MH which was an auto 5/5.

[Didactic]

LFR is challenging and engaging content?

No, nor is it intended to be. But saying things in Vanilla were better because they took more time to acquire is disingenuous.

[Nathane]

Whats the point of a game when its not hard, when it dosnt put a smile on your mouth when you get that item that you have been wishing for the last 3-4 weeks.
Just the good feeling you get form downing a boss after weeks and weeks of trys was even better then it is today when you win a BiS item.

Thats why it was so great in TBC. The HC ppl got what they did want, and for all the casual players the "world" stil had this magical feeling about it, that it was some unexplored areas, and that you one day might go there if you gave it your best shoot.

Even as a raider in one of the top 50 guilds in the world at that point, i stil didnt get all the BiS items, and you know what, that didnt bother me. Why? I was there for the challenge and for the fighting on recount and wws.

If you can get all the loot in a short time and see all the bosses within days via LFR... takes the game out of the game. It more like a daily quest then acctual fun/challenge or w/e you wanna call it.

About the communety i totaly agree that LFG and LFR has destroyd it. You dont need to speak with other ppl, its like in Diablo. You just q up, kill stuff, and leave. ppl dont even say "hi" or "bye" anymore.
By removing it the game with become a social game again, yes it did take longer to make grps if you didnt know ppl, but the rewards was much better.
Another good this about it was that your ingame name actully ment something, and you could not afford to act like a retard like thet wast majorety is today.

Only thing i dont want back is the 6 hour long AV q, and the 6 hour long games :-p

Exactly when you found a group in trade you not only got the rewards for completing the raid/dungeon but you also met new people to play with. Now its join kill leave

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No, nor is it intended to be. But saying things in Vanilla were better because they took more time to acquire is disingenuous.

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

[hitmannoob]

It a great play to learn fight mechanics spam queued into to work on heart of fear because I was the reason we wiped on that boss. I have no issue with it on normal at all now. The boss mechanics in lfr can't kill you but you can practice avoiding them which helps. Also helps helped me learn to predict incoming raid damage and time my cool downs accordingly.

[Callei]

Exactly when you found a group in trade you not only got the rewards for completing the raid/dungeon but you also met new people to play with. Now its join kill leave

Now it's 'spend time playing the game' rather than 'sit in Trade for two hours, spend a half hour getting to the entrance to H Sethekk, wait on someone to meet you at the stone because the other three are too lazy to head there, and head back to Shattrath or Ironforge to spam Trade when the group falls apart because nobody will meet you at the stone.'

I meet new people to add to my BattleTag friends list all the time in LFG groups, because I take time to talk between pulls. Nothing stops you from building a friends list just like the old days.

[hitmannoob]

You can still make friends learn to use real id its not hard.

[Didactic]

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

Because it can be fun, you get to see the content that was designed, with some gear as a little sweetner. It is not intended to be challenging content.

Again, this is a 'game', not a second job.

[Callei]

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

Because they have fun in there and that's the target demographic? Crazy idea, I know.

[hitmannoob]

I run Lfr to practice the fights before the raid and learn proper cool down usage. Just because you want to be close minded and pretend epics are the only part of LFR is your fault.

[Kangodo]

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

Because I have fun in LFR?
And isn't that the entire point of gaming: To have fun?

[Argorwal]

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

Why are you comparing LFR to vanilla or TBC raids? They aren't intended to be the same thing. Blizzard has actually gone and made raiding harder through heroic mode raiding, and just added an easier difficulty for people with less skill, less time, etc. The challenge is still there, and anyone actually playing the intended hard part of the game isn't saying it's too easy at all.

[Callei]

Why are you comparing LFR to vanilla or TBC raids? They aren't intended to be the same thing. Blizzard has actually gone and made raiding harder through heroic mode raiding, and just added an easier difficulty for people with less skill, less time, etc. The challenge is still there, and anyone actually playing the intended hard part of the game isn't saying it's too easy at all.

If memory serves, the guilds who do the race for Heroic world firsts have regularly said that MoP heroic raids are the hardest they've come across yet. The only difference is that now there's a difficulty slider so more people can see where the lion's share of the dev work goes, which sets up a domino effect in that the more people who see it, the more use it sees, the easier it is to justify pouring so much dev time into raid development (just mirror the amount of environment work in MoP dungeons to, say, Blackrock Spire or Naxxramas), which lets the devs put more work into raid development, which keeps raiders supplied with stuff to do, go back to the start of the cycle.

[Tauror]

Why are you comparing LFR to vanilla or TBC raids? They aren't intended to be the same thing. Blizzard has actually gone and made raiding harder through heroic mode raiding, and just added an easier difficulty for people with less skill, less time, etc. The challenge is still there, and anyone actually playing the intended hard part of the game isn't saying it's too easy at all.

Heck, is not that the Vanilla raids were harder, the playerbase at time was worse, lack the tools and the later raids were design to be "wipe on the slightless mistake". Not counting about the cockblocking bugs, of course.

[Zephyr Storm]

Someone is scared his LFR epics might be gone! Get mad bro honestly. This was never about me wanting to be special that is a casual sided point that is always brought up. Making epics/mounts/quests harder to get/complete will make the actual reward wayyyyy more sweeter. These instant epics,mounts,titles,pets, and other rewards have no meaning. Cool another mount, Awesome another title. They mean nothing without a little effort.

Your problem is that you're equating effort to grinding. Grinding is not effort. It's just grinding. That's all Vanilla WoW was...grinding. Grinding for profs, grinding for gold, grinding for mounts, grinding for reps, grinding dungeons and raids for gear. Grind, grind, grind. That's not fun or challenging. That's dumb and boring. You're just one of those people that want to look cooler than everyone else and pretend to be a better player because you can dedicate more hours into the game than what they can. Time played=/=skill or epicness. Back in Vanilla and BC, it was about who could play the game for hours on end and basically allow the game to become their life. The game should never cater to those kind of people. Because only a small percentage of people could come even remotely close to doing that. And that's leaving out a huge portion of the population in the game design then. Retarded.

[Perkunas]

Refer to the sig.

[Zephyr Storm]

Now it's 'spend time playing the game' rather than 'sit in Trade for two hours, spend a half hour getting to the entrance to H Sethekk, wait on someone to meet you at the stone because the other three are too lazy to head there, and head back to Shattrath or Ironforge to spam Trade when the group falls apart because nobody will meet you at the stone.'

I meet new people to add to my BattleTag friends list all the time in LFG groups, because I take time to talk between pulls. Nothing stops you from building a friends list just like the old days.

So much this. I will never understand why people think that the old way of finding groups was in any way superior to now. It may not be as "community oriented" now, but it's a hell of a lot better for actual gaming time instead of sitting and twiddling your thumbs time.

[whatthefudge]

Totally agree brother. They need to stop handing out epics that took you 5 mins of AFKing in LFR to get. I want:

LFR removed.

LFG removed.

Dungeon/raid attunments back.

Crafting gear from raids costing more and increasing their usefulness.

No more heroic modes! Every boss is hard as it is presented with.

More single boss raids.



Taking away LFR and LFG will really bring the community back I think. Shit I know it will when things become hard again they become cool again. It took you 2 weeks to get that epic? Nice! it now means something.

Lets see. So you want Blizzard to remove the content you don't do or don't care about, while leaving in the content that you do and do care about. Sounds like a good way for them to quickly lose a large % of their player base. Protip: Do the things you like and let other people do the things they like, the stuff that has absolutely 0 effect on your play experience.

[Zephyr Storm]

lol your proving my point. If it is neither challenging or engaging why do people fight for it to stay? TO GRIND FREE EPICS WITH TARDS?

You are obviously one of those people that want to lord over the players who you deem are under you and be the special little snowflake that you are trying so hard to prove that you're not. You want everyone to play the game the way you do and like it or gtfo. Hate to burst your bubble bud, but you're one subscriber in a sea of millions. Even the people who think like you are to small of a demographic for blizzard to really even care about. Plus, you DO have challenge available. It's called heroic modes. If you don't like LFR and think its dumb, then don't bother messing with it. Do your heroic modes and leave other people alone. Why are you so intent on trying to force everyone to think and play the way you do? Trying to be the next Adolf Hitler?

[Tomana]

So much this. I will never understand why people think that the old way of finding groups was in any way superior to now. It may not be as "community oriented" now, but it's a hell of a lot better for actual gaming time instead of sitting and twiddling your thumbs time.

They either played on highly populated servers or are just delusional. Back on my medium-pop server, getting a heroic group (as tank + healer with my buddy, mind you) was excruciatingly painful.

[huth]

I don't feel anything nostalgic about the last three expansions so get at me. People remember what they remember nothing alters their memories especially in a video game with fantasy dragons and stories.

Biological memory is far from perfect. It gets altered all the time, bits are lost, new pieces are added and not always in the right place. The older a memory gets, the more the data is corrupted. Everything alters memories. Do not trust your memory.

The further you are from a certain event, the more unlikely it becomes that you're still able to recall it correctly, but even recent events might be remembered incorrectly. It's even possible for people to vividly remember events they couldn't have personally witnessed. Including events that happened before they were born.

If it happened more than a few years ago, you better have it in writing from back then, or i'm just going to ignore your recollection because the error rate is way to high for it to be useful.