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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon9870 View Post
    Ghostcrawler has completely lost touch on the playerbase, and I'm sick and tired of him telling me what's fun.

    Ask Mages if we like our class. 99 out of 100 will say they're bored/disliking it.
    The relatively small and predominantly hardcore group that regularly posts on forums =/= the community as a whole.

    The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of players are in favor of LFR and LFD because it enables them to experience content they wouldn't normally be able to see and advance their character beyond heroic dungeons.

    Simply put, Blizzard has to cater to casuals because casuals give them the money they use to make content for the rest of us.

  2. #242
    News flash - Raiders that are actually clearing heroic modes before nerfs are perfectly fine with LFR and understand its place as an easy version of the raid that everyone can get a chance to see.

    The current raiding tier is as close to a console easy/normal/hard as possible in an MMO. Were you upset that someone beat <insert console game here> on easy while you did it on very hard? Did them beating it on easy cause you to have less fun playing on very hard?

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Argorwal View Post
    News flash - Raiders that are actually clearing heroic modes before nerfs are perfectly fine with LFR and understand its place as an easy version of the raid that everyone can get a chance to see.

    The current raiding tier is as close to a console easy/normal/hard as possible in an MMO. Were you upset that someone beat <insert console game here> on easy while you did it on very hard? Did them beating it on easy cause you to have less fun playing on very hard?
    Good analogy. I think that's a very good way of looking at it. Something I think a few people in here are failing to grasp.

  4. #244
    How does it affect you if others, who simply CANNOT play more than a few hours a week, have access to an easier mode and gear with purple font? It doesnt. Get over yourselves and youre e-peens, IMO.


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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Shullski View Post
    How does it affect you if others, who simply CANNOT play more than a few hours a week, have access to an easier mode and gear with purple font? It doesnt. Get over yourselves and youre e-peens, IMO.
    Cheers ^_^.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Shullski View Post
    How does it affect you if others, who simply CANNOT play more than a few hours a week, have access to an easier mode and gear with purple font? It doesnt. Get over yourselves and youre e-peens, IMO.
    Obviously, every time one of those real-lifers wins an epic, a guy comes out of his closet and kicks him in the balls. Obviously.

  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Because it can be fun, you get to see the content that was designed, with some gear as a little sweetner. It is not intended to be challenging content.

    Again, this is a 'game', not a second job.
    I think you mean to say 40% of the actual total content designed. Because everything in LFR is dumbed down to incredible levels, you aren't actually seeing what real raiders are seeing. Thus defeating the entire given purpose of LFR.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by JhanZ View Post
    I think you mean to say 40% of the actual total content designed. Because everything in LFR is dumbed down to incredible levels, you aren't actually seeing what real raiders are seeing. Thus defeating the entire given purpose of LFR.
    Yet, they are seeing more than they could see without the LFR.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by JhanZ View Post
    I think you mean to say 40% of the actual total content designed. Because everything in LFR is dumbed down to incredible levels, you aren't actually seeing what real raiders are seeing. Thus defeating the entire given purpose of LFR.
    Of course the encounters are dumbed down. Do you think a group of 25 random people would even come close to killing a heroic mode boss? It's intentionally designed this way.

    It's more about seeing the instance and the bosses while also improving your gear beyond 5 man heroic gear. Thanks to LFR a lot of people got to see Deathwing who normally never would have had the opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    It kind of does. I never see casuals running streams on twitch or talking with the community. Don't come in a thread and bash people like you are 12 years old. Making this game difficult will make people flock back to it.
    Link your armory or you're full of shit.

    Mine is right there in my sig, go on click it and see my kill dates. Those mean I actually have an opinion when it comes to discussing heroic content because I've experienced it.

    Now prove to me that you're not some 12 year old thinking he is hilarious by pretending hes good. Then we might have a real conversation, until then its just you making up shit.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    OMG everyone look! A bad ass cata raider he must be super good!

    If you think LFR is good for WoW you have to be brain dead.
    If you think your opinion is the only one around, you're brain dead.

    Seriously, what other players have/don't have in the game is none of your concern. The color of the text on an item doesn't matter at all, ever. Time spent playing this game does not entitle you to any sort of award or recognition.

    It's all about the effort you put forth into obtaining what you have. If you spend hours and hours doing something, but can't be arsed to put effort into doing it, you're just going to make yourself look stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    LFR is challenging and engaging content?
    No, but it doesn't reward the best items, so it don't has to be. T1/T2/ZG(minus Jin'do)/T4(minus Mag) weren't challenging and/or engaging content either.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    Totally agree brother. They need to stop handing out epics that took you 5 mins of AFKing in LFR to get. I want:

    LFR removed.

    LFG removed.

    Dungeon/raid attunments back.

    Crafting gear from raids costing more and increasing their usefulness.

    No more heroic modes! Every boss is hard as it is presented with.

    More single boss raids.



    Taking away LFR and LFG will really bring the community back I think. Shit I know it will when things become hard again they become cool again. It took you 2 weeks to get that epic? Nice! it now means something.

    Hates the game so much he wants to destroy it^^^^^

    The stuff you want back is the stuff that will ensure raiding gets removed as an end game option.

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  14. #254
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argorwal View Post
    So you quit because people are bad in random BGs? If you're really good at pvp you'd be doing arena in the upper 2000s fighting people of equivalent gear and skill. Unless you're a multi season glad/rank 1, your comment doesn't really make any sense.
    No... not really... bad players made the game fun... because they didn't want to work hard at the game... It made it that much easier for me... But what I am referring to, are the baddies who act like their opinion matters when it only reflects upon w/e it is there doing... a bad player would say something like "Hunters are OP, they just keep running around and kiting me as a warrior." whereas a good player would ask if they disarmed or intercepted or charged or made sure to spam piercing howl when around them or make sure to keep hamstring up... then the bad player would say something like "disarm requires me to go into defensive stance"... my point is... the game requires a certain skill level, but the bad players beg blizzard to make it easier, rather than learning their class inside out. That's why most people love PvE, because it's all about tunnel visioning and not caring about anything but the few boss mechanics and your 4-5 button rotation... PvP involves too much knowledge of your class, but even that aspect of PvP is slowly being taken out cuz some classes have crazy burst you just can't do anything about.

    Blizzard needs to filter out the advice they receive from the player base... a section for terrible people who think their opinions matter (majority of PvE people) and a section for amazing feedback and advice from players who know the ins and outs of every aspect of the game (like myself). All this bullcrap balancing stuff could have been bypassed if blizzard implemented some feature that makes every ability of a PvE and PvP effect. When attacking another player or his/her pet, the ability would do a different affect, similar to the PvE effect, but more balanced so that certain classes aren't utterly OP. Like how traps for hunters freeze npc's longer, but is way less for PvP... You could make arms warriors equal to fury if you made MS hit harder for PvE or increase your crit chance against that target by a %, but keep the % reduced healing for PvP. But you'd never hear something like that out of a bad player, they're too busy looking at the single side of something that is composed of well over 300 sides. Instead of finding a way to complete the rubix cube, they only focus on one side and don't care about the other remaining sides.

    But WoW is far too gone... they've listened too much to those who don't know anything about the game and now those roots have taken hold and are influenced forever. I can't go back in time and replay the amazing moments of vanilla, tbc or wotlk. LFD/LFR made the game horrible by making players more lazy than ever... it destroyed realm communities... who do you think was the person who asked for such a stupid feature? Most likely some lazy player who barely had enough time to play the game... so they ruin for everyone else... they looked at one side... time... they didn't think about all the people they'd meet... the realm bondage that is now absent... it's not like there wasn't any feature to find people either... there was a full blown list for people who wanted to join that raid/dungeon and all you had to do was whisper them and find out their stats... not their ilvl that noobs seem to think has the utmost importance. There's issues with this game and no one wants to address them because they're too busy staring at the one side of the game that they care about... If you stop to look at the other sides, you'll then realize how crappy the game is.

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  15. #255
    No. The game has changed, as has it's player base, for better or for worse...I don't agree with every decision Blizzard makes, but they already do a fairly good job making content for a wide variety of playstyles...*especially* those interested in hardcore raiding. Who gives a fuck if some baddie who couldn't find his ass with a map is in full LFR epics, when you are in full heroic raid gear because you like to raid hardcore. Really, there is nothing to complain about, and for a relatively small % of players that even see heroic content, Blizzard puts in a fair amount of work to satisfy that percentile of players.

    As for 'grindfest' that people complain about in MoP...that is exactly what it was in TBC and vanilla, maybe not quite in the form of dailies (though there were quite a few in TBC, you just didn't need to do them for badge of justice gear), but nonetheless, they tried to reintroduce something and people bitched and moaned, like they do everything else. Yeah, LFD or LFR may not be the greatest, but looking for a 5 man dungeon outside of your guild...which a lot of people still do, mind you, was never any fun. I hated wasting my time spamming trade in TBC looking for a specific dungeon. I don't want it back, that's for sure. And it was the challenging dungeon content that I liked because it taught me how to play, not the community bullshit arguement everyone seems to use, people still ninja'd shit and pointed the finger at other players when wipes went bad, that has nothing to do at all with server anonymity, it has to do with people being online and not caring about other people.

    As for difficulty...it's, um, harder than it was in the good old days buy quite a bit. 9 out of 10 'wicked hard' encounters were bugged or poorly tuned pieces of shit, yeah of course they were cool at the time, especially when they were a lore character we were familiar with, but now we have 8 years of experience and the best players do all the work for the rest of us, via youtube guides of forums up the ass telling you how to gear and play your class, so of course there are way of life changes that make the game easier because so many damn people play it.

    I play for normal/heroic raiding progression, and that's it. I feel they still do a fairly good job with it, (well Cata kinda blew) especially if they stop nerfing them while they are current content, I'm really not sure what it is you are trying to say. It's a lot more difficult than anything in Vanilla or even TBC was. Yeah, some of the points made in this thread are things I would like to see for my own personal tastes but this game isn't made just for me or people that like progression raiding. Deal with it or stop playing, I don't see anything changing.
    Last edited by PBitt; 2012-12-29 at 11:41 PM.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathane View Post
    Totally agree brother. They need to stop handing out epics that took you 5 mins of AFKing in LFR to get. I want:

    LFR removed.

    LFG removed.

    Dungeon/raid attunments back.

    Crafting gear from raids costing more and increasing their usefulness.

    No more heroic modes! Every boss is hard as it is presented with.

    More single boss raids.



    Taking away LFR and LFG will really bring the community back I think. Shit I know it will when things become hard again they become cool again. It took you 2 weeks to get that epic? Nice! it now means something.
    and half of the playerbase would quit. yes more emty servers!
    i have done it. shouting in trade for 2 hours to get 1 dungeon done and halfway the tank thinks. o i need to be afk for 30MIN!
    basicly your run was over.
    no thanks. i have seen it done it.
    besides. if you do not like it, dont do it. simple!

  17. #257
    In vanilla beta phase, because even in vanilla WoW there were still people saying that the old beta times were better. From launching is QQ down the hill.

    In my opinion that doesn't matter, and the people complaining just want to ignore. The game keeps improving and it's always the last version. Except Cataclysm between 80 and 85, that sucked for most of the time.

    'Cause Alliance Players wouldn't allow Orcs to stand straight.

  18. #258
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    As someone who hasn't raided before MoP, watching my boyfriend (who is a hardcore raider) raid just made me feel utterly incapable of handling those situations lol, LFR made me very happy. I can experience end game content without the crazyness and pressure of an actual raid scenario, and it kinda got my feet wet. It helped me get over my fear, I'm looking forward to raiding with my guild now, and not just being on the sidelines pet battling and doing dailies constantly lol.

  19. #259
    Have people completely forgotten how easy TBC raiding was, even for casual/medium-players? THE MODEL WORKED FOR EVERYONE; Its just that only few saw/cleared all content, witch made raiding still have a good level of mystic and prestige to it.

    Its sad how everyone exspects to see and do everything inn wow now days, scaled down to there prefference. I was just fine and happy inn TBC even trough I never even saw Sunwell, or cleared much far into Black Temple.

    Also Lootreaver anyone...?
    I do not hate wow. I'm just (was) very passionated about it. There is a difference. Everyone rants about thing's they think changed badly.

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    jesus you people and vanilla references gtfo it already.
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