Friend of mine works on the management level of a consulting company. He has a WoW subscription. When he stops playing for three or four months, he doesn't bother unsubscribing. It is subjectively not worth his time. And here comes the clue, given what he makes per hour and how long unsubscribing/resubscribing takes, it might very well objectively not be worth his time either.
That said, people who pay cartel packs might be using both their time and their money economically correct. Both alternatives: grinding the credits by doing dailies or learning about the ingame economy to sell item A and use the credits made to buy the desired item B might not be worth their time.
So people claiming intellectual superiority for grinding 10 hours ingame to acquire the same items somebody else buys with the money they make from 30 mins RL work are treading on thin ice.
nb. coming from somebody who does not spend RL money on pixels
Its one reason I don't think long term its sustainable, eventually they are gonna run out of space on that CC.
If I knew someone who was really successful but then blew all that money on intangible single item video game objects, I would not be running over to pat that guy on the back... I would be rethinking how much I should respect this wasteful person. Not that I think smoking is better but at least smokers are chemically addicted to cigarettes, people addicted to video game spending should really see someone.
At least cigarettes have warnings on them to show people the stupid things they are doing to themselves, these online shops do nothing but pat you on the back while you descend into unreasonable spending on fleeting items that do nothing. I should sell these people an imaginary friend...
As for your other two paragraphs...
You're making value determinations as if your value system is the only one that matters. It's not. People assign different values to different objects, real or not. I've seen people throw hundreds of thousands/millions at artwork that I wouldn't pay more than a few bucks for. Do I belittle and make fun of them? No. They want it, they can afford it, and it brings them pleasure. So why the fuck shouldn't they buy it?
You're seemingly thinking that purchasing things in the cash shop is different than purchasing a game or DLC ect. You purchase man intangible things all the time, but that doesn't mean these things are valueless.
I hate to break it to you but "these online shops" keep many games afloat and profitable. Without them, many games would either be closed down, or in the same shape as Warhammer, dead in the water with no content coming out. They've offered an alternative path for MMO's to take, and clearly are providing a service that people feel is valuable. So what if you don't feel that items in the cash shop are valuable, enough people do that cash shop revenue surpassed subscription based revenue in 2012.
Don't conflate digital goods with imaginary goods. They are two different things entirely. Digital goods do exist in a sense, and there is/can be value attached to them.
Sure somebody has to buy them but why pay double what you have to? I am sure it varies server to server but there are almost 2 dozen of those mounts in the GTN on Harbinger right now, with a mix of both colors. I think the gambling part of it is why so many do it mixed in with the micro transactions to buy cartel coins. If somebody had to pay 100 bucks at once they would be far less likely to do it then making a bunch of smaller purchases over and over. Ppl that bought huge blocks coins to get more coins per dollar are a little more likely to just spend and spend since they have the sale mentality, oh I wouldn't do this again but it is on sale. You can never fully discount the crazy things ppl will do though it is like the spectral tiger mounts in wow going for 3 to 4 grand on ebay for awhile durring BC in WoW. I talked to one super smart guy that paid more for his toons, pixel land mount that he only used in bgs, then he did for his own car.
Last edited by Tyrven; 2013-01-02 at 10:08 AM.
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. -Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle"
Oh look at this. Three pages of arguments that are completely debunked by simply stating that fun is subjective.
SWTOR may not have the numbers, and some people may not enjoy it, but WAR is still around as F2P and nobody enjoys it. SWTOR isn't going anywhere, regardless of how hard you try to prove someone else's opinion is wrong.
And common sense doesn't go right out the window. For many people, spending 20-50 bucks more on something isn't an issue. They don't care because to them, the value of that money isn't worth the time/effort of finding whatever product/service they are purchasing at a lower price. They are in the minority of individuals, but I know some people like this. For someone like me (and maybe you), this seems absurd. I know I don't have the kind of money to be doing that. But to them, it doesn't make a lick of difference.
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If you saw Bill gates or Opra just throwing tons of money into a fire, would you not even for a second go, "jeez that's dumb"? because that's what I see when people spend money on the cartel market stuff (and they are rarely even close to well off).
Last edited by Argroth; 2013-01-02 at 09:58 PM.
I can teach you how to play, but I can't fix stupid.
Does this make you a poor envious sod? Not at all.
Does it make me 'dumb'? Not at all.
We just value those denominations differently. Aslong as we earnt the money ourselves I don't much care what you do with yours and I'd like not to be be called dumb for what I do with mine.
I don't smoke or drink (before you ask, no I am not mormon. Just have alcholoism in my family (yay irish) and really botched up lungs (premature lungs at birth... yay) so I have some spare cash compared to some of my friends and I have no problem with spending it on video games but I know several of my friends think I am just pissing away all my spare change.
Now, if you know my post history you also know that I get a weird glee out of not paying for things. F2P is like being a kleptomaniac without running the risk of being jailed.
If I didn't have that, I would totally be one of those "I spend most of my disposable income on video games" guys.
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