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  1. #481
    I love how you ignore the entire rest of the post. The democrats compromise all the time, even when they're in a solid majority. The right is expected to compromise because that's what you do in a government, especially when you're the minority power.
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    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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    Internet lives in the sky, don't need no cables for that.
    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by vastx View Post
    Hahaha...

    Dems been playin that song for years. Republicans are so gullible..or stupid.

    My problem is this idea that compromise seems to be expected from the right on everything. Why is it so unreasonable to want to get spending under control.

    And please, for the love of God, don't tell me how much Bush spent. I don't give two shits.
    So you don't care how much your 'team' spends, only that the other 'team' has to compromise to give you what you want while you do no such thing? I would direct you to Mr Goldwater again (protip: he was a real republican), but you would just complain that I didn't address your 'points' and call me an idiot once more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    I'm willing to look at actual pork that was in the bill, but where are you getting your numbers?
    From the bill itself. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
    Have fun reading it. It's over 150 pages long. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So you don't care how much your 'team' spends, only that the other 'team' has to compromise to give you what you want while you do no such thing? I would direct you to Mr Goldwater again (protip: he was a real republican), but you would just complain that I didn't address your 'points' and call me an idiot once more.
    No, I wouldn't call you an idiot for addressing your points by references. I would again call you an idiot for question my links because you don't like the source's political idealogy...as if somehow that lessons the facts.

    I did care that spending exploded under Bush. Yeah I shrugged it off at the time. My side, yay..all that crap. I admit it. We should of suspended the tax cuts when it came clear we would be bogged down in a long occupation in Iraq.

    Would, shoulda. I associate myself with the Republican party for it's conservative principles. And I learned not all those elected officials follow those principles.

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Ok I was going to say I think we are talking about two different bills, and we were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vastx View Post
    No, I wouldn't call you an idiot for addressing your points by references. I would again call you an idiot for question my links because you don't like the source's political idealogy...as if somehow that lessons the facts.

    I did care that spending exploded under Bush. Yeah I shrugged it off at the time. My side, yay..all that crap. I admit it. We should of suspended the tax cuts when it came clear we would be bogged down in a long occupation in Iraq.

    Would, shoulda. I associate myself with the Republican party for it's conservative principles. And I learned not all those elected officials follow those principles.
    And what 'conservative principles' are currently being followed by the GOP, in your opinion? I mean besides hating gays and increasing the size of the government, what else are they doing that is conservative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Ok I was going to say I think we are talking about two different bills, and we were.

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    And what 'conservative principles' are currently being followed by the GOP, in your opinion? I mean besides hating gays and increasing the size of the government, what else are they doing that is conservative?
    Hating gays hmm?

    Please learn the definition of hate. Such an overly and misused word these days.

    I didn't agree with the creation of Homeland Security. Why couldn't they just reform the related departments and agencies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vastx View Post
    Hating gays hmm?

    Please learn the definition of hate. Such an overly and misused word these days.

    I didn't agree with the creation of Homeland Security. Why couldn't they just reform the related departments and agencies?
    So there aren't any conservative principles the current GOP espouses? Cool.

  8. #488
    Calling someone an idiot because they don't take a right wing op ed as a serious citation is in pretty poor form.
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    Internet lives in the sky, don't need no cables for that.
    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    If NJ needed aid it should have went to congress and asked for the money.
    They did. Watch Christie's speech. However, the governor of NJ isn't allowed to write and pass bills in the US Congress.
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    Man, there really should have been an Xzibit cameo in Inception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I don't like that picture because it puts the costs for both Iraq and Afghanistan on Obama.

    I prefer the new spending graphs.
    Yes, nice graph, someone who thinks their counterpart doesn't have 2 cents worth brain would of course buy into the Obama created all that mess..
    But many people have those 2 cents brain, and not only know that this graph reflects the exaggerated spending on 2 wars, which by today are still not over, after 10 or 11 years respectively. And it was already said times and again since 2006 and on, that the war spending will come and bite the country in the ass a few years down the road.. We are those few years down now.
    Only thing is, that right wing nuts believe they can put that blame now easily on the current President. Maybe they think people forgetting easy.
    Yet, the same people that blame Obama's Admin are the ones extremely vocal on how they want more spending on the military.

    I suggest, if anyione really wants to blame someone, then go to the bottom of everything. Get a total bill of what either war costs to the people.
    A thorough total amount for Iraq, and one for Afghanistan.
    It's really that simple. The more you borrow, the more you owe, the more and the longer you owe, the more you have to pay back. At some point the interest eats you up alive.

    The countries debt/spending was already through the roof with the first war on Iraq. See the graph, how it exploded there. And how Reagan had to eat the results of it.
    Clinton brought it down a notch, but it was nowhere near to afford but another war again. But who cares, we even started 2 wars.
    And if anyone doubts that it has anything to do with military spendings.... Well, look at Roosevelt/Truman and when the debt exploded to it's all time high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Calling someone an idiot because they don't take a right wing op ed as a serious citation is in pretty poor form.
    Yes, ignore the numbers posted. Ignore them. They just made them up.

    Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So there aren't any conservative principles the current GOP espouses? Cool.
    The GOP is hardly unified. If you're talking about the GOP establishment, they're a bit weak in the knees and more likely to test the air.

  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by vastx View Post
    Yes, ignore the numbers posted. Ignore them. They just made them up.

    Jesus Christ.
    He's got a point. I followed your link and never found the bill in question. Just an analysis from 2 opinion articles - one from townhall.com, and the FreedomWorks opinion article. Neither referenced the bill itself. Linkedblade thought he referenced it, but that was HR8, which was the fiscal cliff bill.

    I shouldn't have to stress the "opinion" part of that.
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    Man, there really should have been an Xzibit cameo in Inception.

  13. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    He's got a point. I followed your link and never found the bill in question. Just an analysis from 2 opinion articles - one from townhall.com, and the FreedomWorks opinion article. Neither referenced the bill itself. Linkedblade thought he referenced it, but that was HR8, which was the fiscal cliff bill.

    I shouldn't have to stress the "opinion" part of that.
    I'm pretty sure Linkedblade has been talking about the Fiscal Cliff deal (which is what the thread is about) throughout, and it might be the rest of us that are off topic.

  14. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I'm pretty sure Linkedblade has been talking about the Fiscal Cliff deal (which is what the thread is about) throughout, and it might be the rest of us that are off topic.
    Talk about confusion. My point still stands. There's no official citation in the townhall.com link that points toward the actual legislation. And the citation is an opinion piece that points to 2 opinion pieces that also point to blog posts.

    I'm not saying vastx is lying, but damn, how hard is it to show your work if you're trying to show some pork spending?
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    That's why the country struggles:
    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dot...-unsustainable

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...00-and-rising/
    http://news.yahoo.com/something-wron...183400589.html

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/...llars-per-day/

    Those articles don't pull their info out of their asses. They are based on information published by the Pentagon.

  16. #496
    Quote Originally Posted by vastx View Post
    The GOP is hardly unified. If you're talking about the GOP establishment, they're a bit weak in the knees and more likely to test the air.
    Odd, because that is literally the GOP and conservatives only strength. Unity. Walking in lock-step. It isn't a coincidence that Conservatives score much higher on in group loyalty than Liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Talk about confusion. My point still stands. There's no official citation in the townhall.com link that points toward the actual legislation. And the citation is an opinion piece that points to 2 opinion pieces that also point to blog posts.

    I'm not saying vastx is lying, but damn, how hard is it to show your work if you're trying to show some pork spending?
    I didn't say your post was wrong, I agree that quoting right-wing op-eds that don't actually quote the bill isn't a reliable citation. I was just saying that Linkedblade wasn't trying to prove or even discuss the Sandy Relief bill, but rather was staying on topic, unlike the rest of us wackos.

  17. #497
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I didn't say your post was wrong, I agree that quoting right-wing op-eds that don't actually quote the bill isn't a reliable citation. I was just saying that Linkedblade wasn't trying to prove or even discuss the Sandy Relief bill, but rather was staying on topic, unlike the rest of us wackos.
    I have just slapped myself on the wrist then. You should do the same, you freak!
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  18. #498
    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    I have just slapped myself on the wrist then. You should do the same, you freak!
    Just on the wrist? You are no fun anymore, Chonogo!

  19. #499
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Just on the wrist? You are no fun anymore, Chonogo!
    Let's keep it PG-rated for the time being, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    They agreed to address spending in the near future. That's not the same thing as refusing the cut spending. But lets look at the things that actually happen, like Obamacare. Democrats compromised all over that.

    Or the fiscal cliff deal where the democrats compromised on tax rates.
    Why couldn't they have addressed spending before the deadline and come up with a solution in the time that they new about this mess?

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