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    Depends....Do you think sci-fi counts as fantasy or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    Depends....Do you think sci-fi counts as fantasy or no?
    In this context, sure. Go ahead.
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by shalnath View Post
    This thread needs more Brent Weeks.
    This! This a thousand times. Has nobody here read his Night Angel trilogy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagina View Post
    This! This a thousand times. Has nobody here read his Night Angel trilogy?
    Have it sitting on my bookshelf, but not cracked open yet.. is it good?
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    In this context, sure. Go ahead.
    Then add Douglas Adams to the list.
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    As someone who very much enjoys reading, this is probably my favourite trilogy. Despite being the authors first published work it's incredibly well written. To be fair, I might be a bit of a fanboy. still, I love his work and I'm eagerly waiting for his next book (which will be a while, unfortunately).

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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    Depends....Do you think sci-fi counts as fantasy or no?
    The ubergenre is "speculative fiction". The three typical sub-categories it's usually split into are "fantasy", which deals with magic and mythology, "science fiction" which deals with the implications of scientific advance and cultural development, and "historical fiction" which sometimes blurs the lines of both and generally tries to play "what-ifs" with history.

    There's a fair amount of bleedover between the three, really; there's several major fantasy settings, like Terry Brooks' Shannara stuff, that's set in a post-apocalyptic Earth, but is pretty much entirely Fantasy despite that since it's all magic and such. There's others, like Star Wars, which on their face look like sci-fi but in practice it's a story about knights with swords and what are essentially magic powers, midichlorians be damned. Some historical fiction brings in wacky science fiction elements, like Fallout, or wacky magic stuff, like Indiana Jones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shagina View Post
    This! This a thousand times. Has nobody here read his Night Angel trilogy?
    I DID mention Weeks, y'know. The trilogy's good, but it's not OMG the bestest thing ever.

    Seriously, if you liked the Night Angel "little orphan kid grows up to be awesome", read Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora. I love Weeks' trilogy, but the Lamora series is hands-down better, for my money. Though it's more "orphan grows up to be world's greatest con-man" rather than "world's greatest assassin".

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    No Mention of Terry Goodkind?(Sword of Truth series).... Orson Scott Card? (Ender's Game). Not a very thoroughly considered list in my opinion.

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    Indeed you did, Endus. My apologies. And no, I didn't mean to say that it's the best thing ever, it is my personal favourite though. Sticks and stones, you know?

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    Along with Anne Mccaffrey and David Eddings who have been meantioned by a couple of others, I would have to add Dennis Mckiernan and Frank Herbert to my top 10. Mckiernan's world pulled ideas from everywhere (which he admits) and nothing was fully new, but he had a wonderful way of keeping up the pace while telling the story. Tolkien and Jordan are both great writers, but sometimes they tended to slow down by getting to much into the mundane. Dune was just an great epic tail. To bad the movies couldn't do it justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I sure hope so. I've started Gardens of the Moon about three times that ended with a resounding fuck this. Now I am about halfway through it. As mind blowing as everyone seems to say it is I really want to get into the series, but damn the first book is sure NOT accessible.
    Yes Gardens is easily the hardest book to understand/get into, and at that time Erikson certainly wasn't the greatest author which makes it even more difficult. If you manage to get through Gardens and start on DG or MoI you will be happy that you stuck it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowchikabow View Post
    No Mention of Terry Goodkind?(Sword of Truth series)
    This is a 10 best author list, not 10 most mediocre author list
    .... Orson Scott Card? (Ender's Game). Not a very thoroughly considered list in my opinion.
    Enders Game was good, if you read it as a pre-teen or young teenager. The rest of his work really isn't and his personal views really turn me off to him as an Author. If you want to read some really fucked up shit, get a copy of the original Wyrms (by Card) with the original ending.


    Edit -> I'm somewhat sad that no one has mentioned China Meiville, if only for his imagination. The Scar, Perdido Street Station, and Kraken are amazing books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowchikabow View Post
    No Mention of Terry Goodkind?(Sword of Truth series)
    Several people have mentioned him, just not in a positive way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoma View Post
    Wiess/Hickman: I enjoyed Dragonlance as a teen, but haven't reread any of the books recently.
    Don't. I also enoyed them as a teen and went back to read them as an adult. I don't think I even got half way through one before I had to stop. Just remember how much you enjoyed them then and leave it alone.

    And my vote's for Pratchett as well. Absolutely brilliant.

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    In no particular order:

    Elizabeth Moon (Paksenarrian), Joe Abercrombie (The First Law), Peter V Brett (Demon Cycle), Tolkien, Robert V. S. Redick (The Chathrand Conspiracy) , Patrick Rothfuss (Kingkiller Chronicles) , Robin Hobb, Pratchet. ... and I'm drawing a blank on others right now.

    I really want to add Alexey Pehov and Glen Cook in here somewhere, but I know that people will complain about Cook's writing style and Pehov fell kind of short on his last novel, but he has serious potential. C.S. Lewis had moments too. I didn't include George RR Martin for the same reason I didn't include Pehov, A Song of Ice and Fire started out pretty good but has (imo) gotten pretty tired as the series progressed. Though even if I just based it on the first novel I wouldn't put him above most of those others. Though I'm happy to see a fantasy author enjoying such success even if I don't get all the hype.

    No Mention of Terry Goodkind?(Sword of Truth series)
    Being fair, I enjoyed the first book in that series. Or most of it anyway. Richard just wasn't that interesting of a character, he was completely clueless and petulant throughout the series. The series was pretty alright through book 3, and then after that things just took a massive drop.

    Also that scene in Book 1 with the mud people where Richard was asking Kahlan, who obviously had a thing for him, to help him pick which girl to sleep with was painful to read - and Richard just kept being that dense throughout the series. It's hard to take someone that dense seriously as someone with a title like "The Seeker of Truth!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalamitis View Post
    No.Just.NO.

    Margeret Weis/Tracy Hickman - Dragonlance? I read their books when I was 13 and I found them without them depth even in that age. R.A. Salvatore? Dark Elf trilogy was ok. All others were below good. The Icewind Dale Trilogy was a COMPLETLY rip-off of Lord of the Rings. Wait, it had a twist. Instead of the Ring, there was a CRYSTAL SCEPTER. Fuck me right?!

    No G.R.R Martin? He is the biggest breakthrough since Tolkien! Before him there was no place for political schemes and raw sex or violence. G.R.R.M proved that elves and dwarves are not need to make a book epic. Humans psycology have enough complexity to keep the readers interested.

    No ROBIN HOBB!! That is just madness. She is solid cold in a bag full with copper, her Farseer Trilogy a jewel in a sea of sparkling vampires and matcho beardless men that their only motive was to get the girl, with zero complexity and character depth.

    Finally, it's a shame that you rated Tolkien so low. One of the greatest writers of all time.
    I agree with everything in this post. Completely everything. Robin Hobb is fantastic (Fitz and the Fool are unbelievably good characters). Weis/Hickman are really not that great. Same goes for Salvatore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post

    Enders Game was good, if you read it as a pre-teen or young teenager. The rest of his work really isn't and his personal views really turn me off to him as an Author. If you want to read some really fucked up shit, get a copy of the original Wyrms (by Card) with the original ending.
    It really saddens me that Ender's Game is placed so high on just about any top science fiction. The book was mildly entertaining. The rest of the series is dull, and frankly I just can't get past how bat shit crazy the author is...and how full of himself.

    He is to lit what Derek Smart is to video games.
    Get a grip man! It's CHEESE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    George R. R. Martin has one outstanding talent, and that's shock value. When you realize that the only point of his series is to deify the villains, and show how evil people can be, the entire series becomes rather bland.
    I disagree with that myself, I found his character development to be some of the best I have read personally. I found I was constantly switching between love and hate for several characters along their journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    It really saddens me that Ender's Game is placed so high on just about any top science fiction. The book was mildly entertaining. The rest of the series is dull, and frankly I just can't get past how bat shit crazy the author is...and how full of himself.
    Ender's Game itself is excellent. A lot of the reason it seems kind of cliche these days is because the major strides it made were made decades ago, and people have followed in those footsteps extensively. Same reason why shaky-cam was effective for the Blair Witch Project, but now everyone and their dog does "found footage" stuff and it's getting stupid (still some good iterations, like Chronicle, but mostly it's dumb).

    Card himself is getting crazy (well, he passed the line a while back), but he wasn't always this nutbar. It's something he's become as he's gotten older. He used to be relatively liberal, but now he uses "liberal" as if it were the same as "nazi" (see his book Empire, for instance).

    Also; the Xenocide saga that follows from Ender's Game aren't true sequels. They take place in the same timeline, and Ender's the main character (as an adult), but the theme and purpose of it is totally different from Ender's Game, and Card knew that when he wrote them. It's kind of like comparing LotR to The Hobbit or The Silmarillion; they're all related, but one's a children's book, the other's an epic fantasy intended for adult readers, and the third is essentially a mythology and history book.


    Ender's Game, though, holds its place for a reason.

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    Gaiman's quite good. His extensive knowledge and blend of folklore is impressive.

    GRR Martin's prose is simply the best I've ever read...however, prose and story are two separate schemes, my friend. Ice&Fire isn't over, reserving opinion. Wasn't too impressed with Dance, seemed to me the TV show influenced the writing on that one rather strongly. Still wasn't a bad read though, just seems some items could've been left out ... but The Sand Kings was a fun read. (God, how I love short stories. Why's everything have to be so godawful long lately?)

    Jordan's WoT is far too long and should probably be about 3/4th's of what it is, if not half. Sanderson has done well. Crossroads of Twilight is one of the worst books I've ever read.

    So yeah, I'm basically a fan of the short story lately. Edgar A. Poe, HP Lovecraft and any compilations I can get my hands on.

    Favorite author lately is my neighbor. We don't talk much, so I don't know if he's ever tried to submit anything, but every month or so he knocks on my door and hands me a manuscript. Always seems nervous too. Freaking weird guy, but wowzers can he write. I've always been impressed...plus, it feels cool like I've got my own personal author. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dvaldin View Post
    Favorite author lately is my neighbor. We don't talk much, so I don't know if he's ever tried to submit anything, but every month or so he knocks on my door and hands me a manuscript. Always seems nervous too. Freaking weird guy, but wowzers can he write. I've always been impressed...plus, it feels cool like I've got my own personal author. lol.
    Sounds really fun, indeed. Do you live in a movie?

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