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    Arrow So funny to see...

    That the position of retribution hasnt changed too much. Still situational burst dmg as it was in WOTLK
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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet View Post
    That the position of retribution hasnt changed too much. Still situational burst dmg as it was in WOTLK
    Also wanted to say hi
    Don't know what you're talking about - Retribution is in a pretty solid place. I suggest you relearn it, a lot has changed since Wrath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Don't know what you're talking about - Retribution is in a pretty solid place. I suggest you relearn it, a lot has changed since Wrath.
    Well tbh the place ret is in also comes with the fact that this tier is much better itemized for ret than for other classes. Two haste trinkets are just insanely good for ret but horrible for warriors. Imagine ret with two crit trinkets.

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    you'll have to excuse me that i dont know everything thats going on. i know that alot of skills have been changed. i've just read the pala section a bit and took a conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Don't know what you're talking about - Retribution is in a pretty solid place. I suggest you relearn it, a lot has changed since Wrath.
    while the mechanics of ret HAVE changed, its play style hasn't really changed at all. its still a rng burst machine with crappy sustained and mediocre mobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet View Post
    you'll have to excuse me that i dont know everything thats going on. i know that alot of skills have been changed. i've just read the pala section a bit and took a conclusion.
    Try playing it first before you slay it. Most of the Ret complaints are talking about PvP. We've always been a glass cannon, if they were to revamp that, they'd have to revamp a load of the Paladin abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by niai View Post
    Well tbh the place ret is in also comes with the fact that this tier is much better itemized for ret than for other classes. Two haste trinkets are just insanely good for ret but horrible for warriors. Imagine ret with two crit trinkets.
    Meh. Crit is still a good stat, it's still on par with Mastery. But, I do see what you mean. This tier is ridiculously well itemized for Ret. Our damage gets even better with 2-4 set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Try playing it first before you slay it. Most of the Ret complaints are talking about PvP. We've always been a glass cannon, if they were to revamp that, they'd have to revamp a load of the Paladin abilities.



    Meh. Crit is still a good stat, it's still on par with Mastery. But, I do see what you mean. This tier is ridiculously well itemized for Ret. Our damage gets even better with 2-4 set.
    I have played retri, before it was a viable raid spec and untill the start of cataclysm. The term glass cannon is no good term for ret pre cata. im guessing it still isnt a good term for them atm. Retri can take a decent beating, but it had to use certain skills with long CD's to survive, but that could be done several times with bubble, Lay on hands and normal heals.

    Ret always needs good gear to perform well. Since you just said that Tier gear improved it so much, it seems thats still an ongoing 'issue'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosechi View Post
    while the mechanics of ret HAVE changed, its play style hasn't really changed at all. its still a rng burst machine with crappy sustained and mediocre mobility.
    Thank you for confirming my thoughts on the current state of retri

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet View Post
    I have played retri, before it was a viable raid spec and untill the start of cataclysm. The term glass cannon is no good term for ret pre cata. im guessing it still isnt a good term for them atm. Retri can take a decent beating, but it had to use certain skills with long CD's to survive, but that could be done several times with bubble, Lay on hands and normal heals.

    Ret always needs good gear to perform well. Since you just said that Tier gear improved it so much, it seems thats still an ongoing 'issue'.[COLOR="red"]
    I don't get what you're getting at, if you're trying to say you out-experience me - I don't doubt it. I've not played Paladin longer than an expansion. But, I have played the game long enough to know who Rets have always been. They're hybrids. They're not meant to outplay pure dps classes. If it gets to that point, the game developers are doing it wrong. Retribution is in one of the best places it has been since DS.
    Tier gear improves every dps class, it's not heavily based around it, it just increases tenfold if you have it.

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    I miss WOTLK Ret, I feel like they added 'complexity' just for the sake of complexity. Holy Power and Holy Slice and Dice ruined the spec for me.

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    [/QUOTE=Helai;19657884]Most of the Ret complaints are talking about PvP.[/QUOTE]
    Pretty much, my ret hits like a brick with his burst and is very hard to kill despite the heal nerf, but yes i have seen lesser geared rets getting destroyed by pretty much everything so its a viable point to complain about pvp :P


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    Pretty much, my ret hits like a brick with his burst and is very hard to kill despite the heal nerf, but yes i have seen lesser geared rets getting destroyed by pretty much everything so its a viable point to complain about pvp :P [/QUOTE]

    When Anaxie and Vanguards say Ret are broken in the same patch, then Ret is broken. Other than that, we're fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thenamedosentfi View Post
    Pretty much, my ret hits like a brick with his burst and is very hard to kill despite the heal nerf, but yes i have seen lesser geared rets getting destroyed by pretty much everything so its a viable point to complain about pvp :P
    When Vanguards and Anaxie say Ret are fucked, in the same patch, we can consider ourselves fucked.

    Other than that, it's a learn to play issue/adaption issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Pretty much, my ret hits like a brick with his burst and is very hard to kill despite the heal nerf, but yes i have seen lesser geared rets getting destroyed by pretty much everything so its a viable point to complain about pvp :P

    When Anaxie and Vanguards say Ret are broken in the same patch, then Ret is broken. Other than that, we're fine.

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    When Vanguards and Anaxie say Ret are fucked, in the same patch, we can consider ourselves fucked.

    Other than that, it's a learn to play issue/adaption issue.
    Vanguards says Ret is mediocre. He gets higher rating on his Enhancement Shaman, consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Vanguards says Ret is mediocre. He gets higher rating on his Enhancement Shaman, consistently.
    Reckful says Rogue is mediocre. He gets higher rating on his Arms Warrior, consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Reckful says Rogue is mediocre. He gets higher rating on his Arms Warrior, consistently.
    Except Enhance isn't OP.. so way to fail at being clever B)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Except Enhance isn't OP.. so way to fail at being clever B)
    Sorry, I thought we were just saying pointless remarks. Re-read my original statement:

    When Vanguards and Anaxie say Ret are fucked, in the same patch, we can consider ourselves fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Sorry, I thought we were just saying pointless remarks. Re-read my original statement:

    When Vanguards and Anaxie say Ret are fucked, in the same patch, we can consider ourselves fucked.
    Enhance is right where every DPS spec should be. It's not a pointless remark when it's true that Vanguards has gotten 100 more rating on his under-geared Enhancement Shaman than on his Retribution Paladin which has better gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet View Post
    That the position of retribution hasnt changed too much. Still situational burst dmg as it was in WOTLK
    Also wanted to say hi
    From a standpoint of where we sit on the meters and in pvp ya not much has changed at all.
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    I just got the 2pc bonus and damage has really gone way up. Enjoying playing ret so far.

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    Well, being worst dps class in game except for priests and hunters at the moment is not a place I'd like ret to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volitar View Post
    I miss WOTLK Ret, I feel like they added 'complexity' just for the sake of complexity. Holy Power and Holy Slice and Dice ruined the spec for me.
    I have to agree with you here, seems like they just added in holy combo points and didn't change any other aspect of retribution gameplay.

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