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  • i am 12 and wut is this

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    I'm curious as to what you think "extreme" capitalism is.
    You mean why it's hypothetical?

    Because there's no real country that's employing it. Most developed countries, including the US, have a mix between socialism and capitalism. Sweden for example leaning more towards socialism and the US more towards capitalism.

    Edit: Oh fail, i imagined a "why" there instead of a "what". If you ask me extreme capitalism would be anarcho-capitalism and generally any system with absolutely no social policies and no state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    I'm curious as to what you think "extreme" capitalism is.
    Anarcho-capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    I'm curious as to what you think "extreme" capitalism is.
    I think most of the people choosing it this thread are only thinking of our form of capitalism with saftey regulations, guarenteed wages and the like.

    Realistically unregulated capitalism would basically be feudalism where a few own everything and the rest wallow in the dirt.

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    Communism, because I would have a place in this society and working for the greater good of all.
    Capitalism is working for yourself only, and I'd also likely be a criminal in such a society.

    So yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    I think most of the people choosing it this thread are only thinking of our form of capitalism with saftey regulations, guarenteed wages and the like.

    Realistically unregulated capitalism would basically be feudalism where a few own everything and the rest wallow in the dirt.
    I agree with that, but the balance needs to be more in favor of the free market and individual liberty than government regulation. (I put that reply there to answer about 5 others at once).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    I agree with that, but the balance needs to be more in favor of the free market and individual liberty than government regulation. (I put that reply there to answer about 5 others at once).
    Eh? The thread is about extreme forms of government. In this case extreme capitalism would be a total lack of regulation.

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    Between "capitalism", "fascism", "i am 12 and wut is this" and "I'm an unemployed art history student and wut is this" I would have to go with capitalism.

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    I'm not sure if you can classify capitalism as a political system..

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    Neither of them. I voted the last option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny212 View Post
    I'm not sure if you can classify capitalism as a political system..
    You can't. Capitalism and Communism are opposite extremes of economic systems.
    Fascism and Anarchy are opposite extremes of political systems.

    Fascism by its very nature precludes capitalism, and anarchy by its very nature precludes communism.

    So this whole question is bad. So you should answer it badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Eh? The thread is about extreme forms of government. In this case extreme capitalism would be a total lack of regulation.
    Alright, well then if I have to choose one then I'll go with extreme capitalism. I know that I'm willing to put in the hard work and responsible saving/planning that it would take to become a feudal lord. :P

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    Fascism is just totalitarian Capitalism, the communism was never tried, and no Stalin, Mao were very far from communism. Communism isnt genocide on your own nation, absolute control over population and industry, the idea of communism was only raped in human history by ppl who I already mentioned.

    Not revolution but evolution will eventually lead human kind to communism. Capitalism is at its peak now, destroying itself with monstrous corruption and greed ---> so called "debt crisis". Imho it is not fair that 1% of population controls over 80% of global wealth, it is just modern slavery. When the people (99%) realise that, the age of slavery (capitalism) will be over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    Alright, well then if I have to choose one then I'll go with extreme capitalism. I know that I'm willing to put in the hard work and responsible saving/planning that it would take to become a feudal lord. :P
    Man if you think it was hard work or saving that made you a feudal lord back in the day you're in for a rude awakening should the situation arise again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Man if you think it was hard work or saving that made you a feudal lord back in the day you're in for a rude awakening should the situation arise again.
    Well that was an analogy somebody had brought up earlier in the thread. If it were quoted in context the sarcasm would have been obvious.

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    None, all three suck. A combination of Capitalism and Communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatlatitla View Post
    Fascism is just totalitarian Capitalism, the communism was never tried, and no Stalin, Mao were very far from communism. Communism isnt genocide on your own nation, absolute control over population and industry, the idea of communism was only raped in human history by ppl who I already mentioned.

    Not revolution but evolution will eventually lead human kind to communism. Capitalism is at its peak now, destroying itself with monstrous corruption and greed ---> so called "debt crisis". Imho it is not fair that 1% of population controls over 80% of global wealth, it is just modern slavery. When the people (99%) realise that, the age of slavery (capitalism) will be over.
    To take one from the commie playbook...

    "But that's not REAL capitalism."

    Real capitalism is based on the Native American system of trade, which was conducted on an individual to individual basis with trade values being at the mutual discretion of the parties involved and the band council would only intervene as necessary to settle allegations of fraud.

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    Actually those three are not extremes. There are only 2 real political and social extremes. One is totalitarianism which is complete government control over everything, and the other end of the spectrum is anarchy in which government has no control at all.

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    Communism and fascism are the same thing. Mostly. At any rate, this isn't a triangle of extremes, it's a bar.

    No its not. Fascism believes in private property, Communism doesnt. Both are authoritarian, but they are really far away from being the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmoth12 View Post
    Actually those three are not extremes. There are only 2 real political and social extremes. One is totalitarianism which is complete government control over everything, and the other end of the spectrum is anarchy in which government has no control at all.
    Anarchy on an economic level though isn't really the same thing. Most of the people you see running around spray painting the A logo all over town and fighting with the police are actually communists, they just don't believe in state-run communism, they think it should be like a collective effort on the part of all members of society to keep each other afloat by pooling all of their resources among themselves by mutual agreement, with no overseeing body to enforce or enact law.

    Works great if you're a group of 5 friends following Phish around in a van all summer, but if you're an industrious person with ideas and desire to create and progress then not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    Communism because from a social standpoint it doesn't make sense to have massive power hierarchies

    Also communism is the only one that reinforces the good in humans (community sense and altruism) while the others promote domination and greed
    Yeah, this is my view on Communism too. Of course, the problem is that it can lead to corruption in government since they own every idea people come up with (even if corruption occurs in all systems, communism seems much more vulnerable to it). If communism worked, it'd be fairly fantastic. It's just a case that it rarely works because people in power become corrupt. That happens in every system but only in communism does it put a lot at risk. Suddenly those "free ideas" are being sold on out of sight.

    Capitalism is more supportable since the people at the top end don't have such control. They still setup the laws and such, but if they become corrupt, there's usually multiple people that can take their place. It encourages free ideas a little more, but the problem is that almost everyone wants to make excessive amounts of cash for their ideas. There's a lot of fantastic truly free ideas out there under capitalism, but more often than not, it just encourages greed. I think a perfect example of the capitalist system being taken to extremes are with companies like EA and Apple. The "Monetise Everything" mentality they've got going is the absolute worst of capitalism.

    So, both the systems i understand have their good points and bad points. I'd probably love a system that was somewhere in between them both. Free ideas available to everyone, but where you're rewarded for coming up with them (since not everyone could come up with an idea, so even if everyone can use them, the people with the knowledge and the time to put the ideas to use, or to come up with them, are the ones that are rewarded).
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