View Poll Results: Should we Kill Sylvanas instead of Garrosh?

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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Or, she is actually one of the characters with the richest story in this universe and people are argueing for whatever reason that she commits "war crimes" by killing the opposite faction.
    im sorry but it cannot be disputed whether or not sylvanas has commited war crimes because she absolutely has both the alliance and horde have agreed after the wrathgate not to use any kind of plague and the undead were supposed to destroy any they had left over under orders by thrall. instead of following orders she not only kept the remains but she started making more AND testing new even worse plagues all in secret and all against the wishes of the warchief and against the agreement between the two factions. also not only that but she is using gnomes, tauren, humans, and even orcs to test the plague on.

    that IS a warcrime similar to how alot of countries agreed to stop things like chemical warfare and atomic weapons during the world wars
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  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    That's a misread of her character in her short story.

    The whole point of the story was her deciding that they WEREN'T just "arrows in her quiver".

    Also consider her entire stated raison d'etre in the Silverpine quest chain. Her whole life is devoted to the "people of Lordaeron".

    SHE'S JUST NOT NICE.

    Totally slipped my mind, That pretty much shows you how she feels about the forsaken and how they see her. As you said, she is just not very nice =p

  3. #223
    lol, more people voted No, but I bet if the question was "should Jaina be killed after what happened in Dalaran", all Horde fanboys would love to crucify her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    im sorry but it cannot be disputed whether or not sylvanas has commited war crimes because she absolutely has both the alliance and horde have agreed after the wrathgate not to use any kind of plague and the undead were supposed to destroy any they had left over under orders by thrall. instead of following orders she not only kept the remains but she started making more AND testing new even worse plagues all in secret and all against the wishes of the warchief and against the agreement between the two factions. also not only that but she is using gnomes, tauren, humans, and even orcs to test the plague on.

    that IS a warcrime similar to how alot of countries agreed to stop things like chemical warfare and atomic weapons during the world wars

    Minor correction they are not developing a more deadly plague, they merely have the receipt for their most deadly strain and still produce that stuff in secret, though Garrosh permits them to use a weakened strain.

    Yes the forsaken commit war crimes, if such a thing really exist in wow universe, since no such thing as a genova convention exists there, merely varying codes of honor.

    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    lol, more people voted No, but I bet if the question was "should Jaina be killed after what happened in Dalaran", all Horde fanboys would love to crucify her.
    Yeah it is strange how many people bash her, what she did was morally questionable, but absolutely justified, but oh well. A typical move from a grey character, which Jaina recently became .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathAddict View Post
    Totally slipped my mind, That pretty much shows you how she feels about the forsaken and how they see her. As you said, she is just not very nice =p

    Right..... >.>


    Yeah it is strange how many people bash her, what she did was morally questionable, but absolutely justified, but oh well. A typical move from a grey character, which Jaina recently became one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Minor correction they are not developing a more deadly plague, they merely have the receipt for their most deadly strain and still produce that stuff in secret, though Garrosh permits them to use a weakened strain.
    Cromush simply tolerates the use of the weakened strain, if Garrosh would permit is another story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Yes the forsaken commit war crimes, if such a thing really exist in wow universe, since no such thing as a genova convention exists there, merely varying codes of honor.
    Except that the Forsaken do not have a code of honor, if you bomb out the enemy with a stuff that kills them the moment they inhale it, there is nothing about honorable about it.

    Sylvanas never stepped back from any tool if it would prove useful, see Val'kyr and their duty to produce more Forsaken.

    At least she got she deserved twice, when she thought she could control a Dreadlord and when she used Godfrey against the Worgen.
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    Not instead, just kill both. To be honest though, having Alleria kill Sylvanas after Sylvanas kills Vereesa would be way better than just killing her now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Cromush simply tolerates the use of the weakened strain, if Garrosh would permit is another story.
    You might have a point there, but those barrels would be really hard to miss.


    Except that the Forsaken do not have a code of honor, if you bomb out the enemy with a stuff that kills them the moment they inhale it, there is nothing about honorable about it.

    Sylvanas never stepped back from any tool if it would prove useful, see Val'kyr and their duty to produce more Forsaken.
    Which was my point as it seems most of the times in wow war crimes seem to be based on perspective. Just look at Taurajo, the horde calls it a massacre, but has no problem with utterly destroying an Alliance outpost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    lol, more people voted No, but I bet if the question was "should Jaina be killed after what happened in Dalaran", all Horde fanboys would love to crucify her.
    I like that the alliance are wearing their tarnish more on the cuff. You guys should not try to hide the hate. It been there for a long time. The latest manifestation of it in Jania makes her much more compelling. Before the razing of theramore, she was just kind of a flavorless neutral character. Now she is blue and bad ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post

    Sylvanas never stepped back from any tool if it would prove useful, see Val'kyr and their duty to produce more Forsaken.
    I remember some tale of old, about silly Humans and Magic. They made some messes over the time by using that tool, but that never stopped them from using it, guess killing the savages was more important.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    We should definitely kill Sylvanas and try to readmit the undead back into the Alliance (because they were once alliance humans to begin with)?

    lol ignorant Alliance is ignorant, heard this time and time again, even before the Wrathgate incident happened/Sylvanas started using Val'kyr to re-animate new Forsaken soldiers. It will never happen.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    shes garrosh with maggot infested boobs

    there is a new thread about garrosh every day, but sylvanas was a horde evil mastermind before it was main stream

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    actually the plague the forsaken have worked on since vanilla was tested on a few tauren as well
    gilneas was neutral and not apart of the alliance.
    shes using the scourge
    i think the last bit is enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    im sorry but it cannot be disputed whether or not sylvanas has commited war crimes because she absolutely has both the alliance and horde have agreed after the wrathgate not to use any kind of plague and the undead were supposed to destroy any they had left over under orders by thrall. instead of following orders she not only kept the remains but she started making more AND testing new even worse plagues all in secret and all against the wishes of the warchief and against the agreement between the two factions. also not only that but she is using gnomes, tauren, humans, and even orcs to test the plague on.

    that IS a warcrime similar to how alot of countries agreed to stop things like chemical warfare and atomic weapons during the world wars
    Where such agreement happened? The Elite Kor'Kron in UC are there to look after the Forsaken that it doesnt go out of hand again, no where was it mentioned that Alliance/Horde or the Warchief is against the usage of the Plague. Unless you post some proof of her strictly ordering to use the Plague or starting an assault against a Horde member, she didnt commit a "war crime".
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    Did you all ever think she is raising scourge army to kill garrosh? >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathAddict View Post
    I like that the alliance are wearing their tarnish more on the cuff. You guys should not try to hide the hate. It been there for a long time. The latest manifestation of it in Jania makes her much more compelling. Before the razing of theramore, she was just kind of a flavorless neutral character. Now she is blue and bad ass.
    You're coloring badass as grey. You can be badass and not be grey. She was not flavorless. Her ideals and personality is what makes her shine aside from being a good looking girl.


    Where such agreement happened? The Elite Kor'Kron in UC are there to look after the Forsaken that it doesnt go out of hand again, no where was it mentioned that Alliance/Horde or the Warchief is against the usage of the Plague. Unless you post some proof of her strictly ordering to use the Plague or starting an assault against a Horde member, she didnt commit a "war crime".
    She uses the Plague no matter what strain they use ignoring Garrosh's orders. Cromosh or whatever may approve but doesn't mean Garrosh approves either. She raises people into Forsaken via Val'kyr which is a Scourge tactic and we're supposed to be ok with it? Yeah no that's a double standard.

    She also blight bombed Southshore into utter nothing and it gets out of control oh and that farm. Warcrimes they could be and could not be but she's still a hefty criminal.
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    So this thread is only for people who hate Sylvanas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    You're coloring badass as grey. You can be badass and not be grey. She was not flavorless. Her ideals and personality is what makes her shine aside from being a good looking girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Which was my point as it seems most of the times in wow war crimes seem to be based on perspective. Just look at Taurajo, the horde calls it a massacre, but has no problem with utterly destroying an Alliance outpost.
    The difference is that Taurajo was majorly a village and not a military base, an outpost usually consists out of military facilities & soldiers, so it's a 100% valid target.

    I am aware that Taurajo was used for war specific duties as well, but the uproar came mostly from the thing that they raided a town which was mostly defenseless, a military base is rarely defenseless.

    And the point is, many actions of the forsaken do not depend on the perspective, they are aware of that they do not act right, they simpy don't care if they act wrong.
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