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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalliah View Post
    I bet people will blame him when it turns out Titan is a more casual MMO than WoW - even if it was supposed to appeal to a wider audience from day 1.
    I Do not care how casual Titan is going to be, He has proven that he is not a competent game director, Diablo 3 is testament to that.
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    I doubt they will get Warhammer. That WOULD be ironic though, given Warcraft and therefore Blizzard, was born out of the Warhammer license originally. And the name was changed from BlizzDOTA probably because Valve got the DOTA guys and released DOTA2.

    As far as Jay Wilson goes: I think Diablo3 is too large of a project to pin everything on one person, even the game director. I'm sure that game had heavy oversight from higher ups in the company, and a lot of stuff is decided in meetings and by committee in big projects like that. So I think it's too convenient to just blame it all on him. Dawn of War was a good game before that, albeit Relic certainly dragged their heels on patching it regularly, which is what caused me to stop playing it about 3 months after release.

    And I think it would be more of a surprise at this point if Titan turned out to NOT be very casual friendly. The precedent has been set with WoW, and the crowd they're likely to go after with the game is more of the COD/Madden type casual players. Not to say there won't be harder elements to it, but... And him walking into Titan when it's already into the content creation and art asset phase, I doubt he would be able to sway the design much. He probably won't be the top director for it, if it is Titan.
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  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by Enjeh View Post
    Well since Titan is already "announced" It's most likely whatever this game is.
    Made that one a while ago (before they change it from BlizzDota to Allstars~), they seem to have found someone since it's not on that page anymore. : p

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    I was searching for this too. There was a new MMO AND other unannounced game title like a year ago in Blizz careers!

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    I heard speculations that it might be an fps-mmo, but then again. What can you believe on the internet these days?

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    Heh, just realised, imagine when they announce that game, and Jay Wilson walks out, just like in D3, i wonder how will be the reactions...


    I bet someone else will demo that game
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    I don't know what to think about this...
    I think this is not a clue to him being on Titan... this is more a clue to Warcraft IV.

    I mean... Blizzard + Warhammer = Warcraft RTS. It's a bit of a no-brainer...

    PS. Titan, I believe, is being headed by Tigole if my memory serves me correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    I think this is not a clue to him being on Titan... this is more a clue to Warcraft IV.
    If only...
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    Or you know, the most logical thing...he likes Warhammer?

  9. #509
    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Or you know, the most logical thing...he likes Warhammer?
    or possibly warhammers. Maybe the new game will be all about people with giant hammers.

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    It's a bit silly that a moderator merged the threat about that Wilson guy and Titan, since it was glaringly obvious, that not a single soul could automatically conclude that this was about Titan, in fact, the reference to 'unannounced' should have made that pretty clear, since Titan was 'announced', and since it most likely isn't about Titan, proof supplied by Enjeh, I imagine that that mod should reverse the process.

    Just in case anyone thinks I sound agitated. I am. Everyone gets to make all these Megathreads these days even if the OP is a completely utter bullcrap post (like that fire...thingy topic), but as soon as something not related to a megathread gets posted it's merged with one. GAAH.

    I mean, seriously:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ad-Fire-Emblem

    Look at that. A mod should have shot that down the second it left off. It's 3 bloody lines of text. No structure, not enough text to be called informative. It doesn't tell us what the game is, it doesn't tell us who made it. It doesn't tell us anything. No screens, no info, just some random guy making a topic called Megathread about a game he used to like. Mods, get to work.

    Megathread, sure, make it mega, in the first post. Take a look at the GW2 megathread if you want examples.

    Another one:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...d-Dark-Souls-2

    Break it apart. Please.

    Alright folks, back on topic again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalliah View Post
    I bet people will blame him when it turns out Titan is a more casual MMO than WoW - even if it was supposed to appeal to a wider audience from day 1.
    Wider than the widest MMO in history ? Do not compute, sry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalliah View Post
    I bet people will blame him when it turns out Titan is a more casual MMO than WoW - even if it was supposed to appeal to a wider audience from day 1.
    Doubt this will happen, wow is almost as casual as it gets (for an MMO). UNLESS Titan turns out to be WoW2 with updated graphics and player housing or something.

    I suspect Titan may be an mmo designed to appeal to either the Starcraft or Diablo crowd. Since they already buy Blizzard games, the next step is to develop an MMO that appeals to them, gets them to pay that monthly sub fee that Diablo/Starcraft lacks.
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  13. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Wider than the widest MMO in history ? Do not compute, sry.
    Subscription only MMO in history*

    There are a number of F2P MMO's with global playerbases that are greater than WoW.

  14. #514
    A Diablo MMO would not be a new IP. Unless you consider WoW a new IP to Warcraft, which is so far from the concept of a different IP that I don't even know what to say. In fact, Warcraft traditionally didn't have any RPG elements, they were partially added via Hero units in Warcraft III, so a Diablo MMO would be more closely related to Diablo than WoW is to Warcraft.

    The only possibility in which Diablo universe + MMO = new IP makes any sense is if it's such a weird spinoff that it's totally unlike Diablo. Like... a Cow Level MMO? An MMO set in the treasure goblin dimension?

    Personally I don't think the Diablo universe has sufficient depth to make a decent MMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zogarth View Post
    He mentioned Warhammer. THQ resently started selling out IP's and Warhammer is one of them. Could be something to do with that.
    He did NOT mention Warhammer. It's in his bio on Twitter that he likes Warhammer. For god's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Subscription only MMO in history*

    There are a number of F2P MMO's with global playerbases that are greater than WoW.
    Like what?


    http://mmodata.blogspot.com.au/

    Not saying you're wrong but I'd like to see a source on that.
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    Old news so not really accurate, and it's not really counting active accounts, but: http://news.mmosite.com/content/2007...155255,1.shtml

    I'll have to dig them up when I have more time, but that blog is good for baseline estimates and little more. Not to mention it only tracks games with subscription options, so it's not going to track F2P only games, or accurately track a game like Aion which has a subscription in the East, but is F2P in the West.

  16. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Old news so not really accurate, and it's not really counting active accounts, but: http://news.mmosite.com/content/2007...155255,1.shtml

    I'll have to dig them up when I have more time, but that blog is good for baseline estimates and little more. Not to mention it only tracks games with subscription options, so it's not going to track F2P only games, or accurately track a game like Aion which has a subscription in the East, but is F2P in the West.
    Well without direct access to the relevant MMO's player data we don't have anything other than baseline estimates.

    Apparently Maplestory claims to have 92 million users worldwide, which I find a little hard to believe (unless people create a lot of alt accounts or something? No idea how Maplestory works). Even so this article from 2009 claims they had 5.9 million accounts just buying items from their store. Kind of amazing since I know hardly anyone who plays Maplestory! Must be super popular in Asia.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/05...de-4-year-ann/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Well without direct access to the relevant MMO's player data we don't have anything other than baseline estimates.

    Apparently Maplestory claims to have 92 million users worldwide, which I find a little hard to believe (unless people create a lot of alt accounts or something? No idea how Maplestory works). Even so this article from 2009 claims they had 5.9 million accounts just buying items from their store. Kind of amazing since I know hardly anyone who plays Maplestory! Must be super popular in Asia.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/05...de-4-year-ann/
    WoW also claims 10mil subs but it also includes ppl with multiple accounts in that number.

  18. #518
    Yeah, I don't see a full subscription MMO model as viable any longer. They need to find a more flexible payment model. It doesn't have to be F2P (although that certainly makes it more accessible) but I won't be shelving over 15 Euros a month for an MMO anymore.

    By the way, League of Legends is the most popular PC Game on the market currently and has many times the active players of WoW.

    People often forget 2 things about WoW when comparing it with other games.

    1. WoW is the only big subscription based MMO left. Other MMOs may easily have more players but generate less revenue.

    2. WoW really "only" has about 5 Mio. players in NA and EU...the truly profitable markets. Compare that to 3 Mio. GW2 players or 2 Mio. SWTOR players gives you a little perspective. WoW is still the biggest MMO but it's not the behemoth some people seem to think it is.

  19. #519
    I don't see why sub mode would be dead yet, if only developers would dare to make games that had long lasting appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Well without direct access to the relevant MMO's player data we don't have anything other than baseline estimates.

    Apparently Maplestory claims to have 92 million users worldwide, which I find a little hard to believe (unless people create a lot of alt accounts or something? No idea how Maplestory works). Even so this article from 2009 claims they had 5.9 million accounts just buying items from their store. Kind of amazing since I know hardly anyone who plays Maplestory! Must be super popular in Asia.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/05...de-4-year-ann/
    Yeah, it's going to be impossible to get concrete numbers out of anyone, as subscription based MMO's have and continue to count "fringe" accounts as active, WoW counts Chinese accounts the same as Western (they use different payment models), and there's no way to count "unique" accounts in the case of people who own multiple accounts.

    Most of these games that exceed 10 million + active users are Asian, with heavy followings in China and Korea. They're not quite as popular in the West, but they have a presence here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    I don't see why sub mode would be dead yet, if only developers would dare to make games that had long lasting appeal.
    That's the thing, it's damn hard to make a game good enough to justify a subscription nowadays. They have to provide something that no other existing game does, and then the rest of the game has to be damn good as well. That's touch, especially when competing with a game like WoW which has so much inertia going in its favor that I doubt we'll see anything really "dent" it too much and rather see it slowly decrease in size over time.

    Subscription model isn't officially "dead", but for all intents and purposes it is. It's an extremely difficult model to make viable on a large scale (not counting the niche games like Perpetuum or Darkfall) and see profits that aren't outpaced by a F2P/freemium model.
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