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Again, we don't condemn people based on thoughts and ideas.
Last edited by Tauror; 2013-01-06 at 03:43 AM.
Attempt 1: to make an effort to do, accomplish, solve, or effect <attempted to swim the swollen river>
Words don't change meaning just because you don't like the implication. Jaina made an effort to commit genocide. Therefore, Jaina attempted genocide.
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She stopped. Her "effort" ended. She can't be condemn for an action that she didn't finished.
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Last edited by Tauror; 2013-01-06 at 03:50 AM.
Thrall and Kalec showing up make abandonment no longer a valid defense.Abandonment can also be a defense to either element (mens rea or actus reus) of attempt, if the defendant "walks away" from the crime.
However, many jurisdictions do not recognize abandonment. Courts that do recognize this defense generally apply it only where the defendant completely and voluntarily renounces any criminal purpose (Understanding Criminal Law, J. Dressler, 2006). However, the abandonment is not complete and voluntary where the defendant desists from criminal efforts due to unexpected resistance (e.g., from victims), the discovery of the absence of an instrumentality needed for the completion of the offense, or other circumstances that increase the probability of arrest, or decrease the probability of successful completion of the crime (e.g. proximate arrival of police). Abandonment is also invalid where the defendant simply postpones the criminal plan until another time.
Under the Model Penal Code, the defendant is not guilty of an attempt if they (1) abandon the effort to commit the crime or prevent the crime from being committed, and (2) their behavior manifests a complete and voluntary renunciation of the criminal purpose (MPC § 5.01(4)). However, the renunciation not complete if motivated in whole or part by one of the following:
They postpone the criminal conduct to a more advantageous time, or to transfer the criminal effort to another but similar objective or victim.
They are merely reacting to circumstances that increase the probability of detection or apprehension.
They are reacting to a change in circumstances that makes the crime harder to commit.
By the time attitudes about the undead had changed enough that DKs could be accepted into the Alliance, any bridges between the Alliance and the Forsaken had been long burned. There's probably not any reason that an undead of free will not raised by a Sylvannas nor loyal to the horde before the death of Arthas could be taken into the Alliance now from a lore standpoint. It's just a game mechanic that all playable Forsaken are either one or the other.
Also wiping out an enemy city =/= genocide. If it was, then the mana bomb on Theramore was actual genocide.
Last edited by Herrenos; 2013-01-06 at 04:01 AM.
Thrall failed to stop her, Kalec simply talked her out. She abandon, by herself, the effort to commit the crime. All she can be accused is of attempted murder.
Anyway, this is pointless, we will keep talking in circles.
I honestly thought Dk's were dead , but got their souls back when frostmourne shattered. Corpses but ones with souls, not unlike sylvanas. Forsaken have no souls apparently as they are just rezzed corpses.
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Jaina was guilty of theft from the blue dragonflight and Dalaran. That is all.