I never understood WHY garithos was the leader of the Alliance forces, he was a terrible leader who let his racism and prejudice cloud his judgment, he is a terrible military leader
case in point, he sent the small blood elven army to fight off "a vast undead army advancing on the ruins of Dalaran" (where Garithos' primary base was located), however his racism dictated he make it nigh-impossible for the blood elves to succeed via removing most of kaels forces, Garithos clearly could have spared an entire battalion for the blood elves (as a spellbreaker says that Garithos has brought an entire battalion with him when he arrives), if the naga had not helped the blood elves, the scourge would have killed and raised them, then moved on to destroy and re-take the main base of the Alliance in the ruins of Dalaran
lets think more on this, the scourge would be in control of what remains of Dalaran, meaning it would never have been rebuilt by Rhonin and Co, meaning it wouldnt have been able to go to northrend to oppose Malygos in the nexus war, and would never have been able to become a staging ground for the fight against the Lich King, Malygos would have succeeded in redirecting ALL MAGIC to the nexus, which would have resulted in NO ARCANE FOR ANYONE, meaing only shamans, druid, paladins and necromancers would have been the only magic users, removing the Blood elves and Kirin Tor from the war effort against the Lich King, which would have made it an even more uphill battle against the Scourge
in short, Garithos' stupid vendetta against everything that isnt human nearly caused the Scourge to consume the entire of Azeroth
did the forsaken ever really try?
Have you guys ever thought of the ramifications of having zombies walk around in Stormwind? What would the children think? They'd all have nightmares and become mentally unstable.
It not discrimination, its being sane. One day, Horde will get damaged badly because of their trust.
They're pretty square in terms of their composition. Although this is besides the point when the agreement was for the New Alliance to get Lordaeron.
Forsaken betrayed the first alliance army they came through. Then they started massacring innocent villagers around lordaeron. And using their flesh and bone.
Forsaken are not misunderstood or rejected just because they are undead. They are sadistic criminals to alliance eyes.
Completely different situations. Forsaken pre-WotLK followed a vicious plague pandemic that wiped out the vast majority of Lordaeron. Forsaken post-WotLK live with the negative image which they've built up since the Wrathgate that remains a heavy influence on how people view them.
Death knights were hesitantly accepted into the Alliance and the Horde as representatives of the Knights of the Ebon Blade, sent with a letter directed towards each faction's leader by Lord Fordring.
The Death Knights of Acherus don't go around killing off every survivor in Lordaeron, they haven't developed or used the Blight, they haven't made war on every single one of their neighbours, they don't make a habit of torture, slavery or medical experimentation, they don't lobotomise prisoners, they haven't allied with active members of the Scourge, they haven't fed prisoners to their pets, they don't use prisoners as incubators for spiders, they didn't betray, backstab or kill off Alliance forces allied to them.....
The Forsaken aren't rejected by the Alliance because they are undead. They are rejected because in almost every way, they act as if they never left the Scourge.
Which presumes those forces weren't needed elsewhere.case in point, he sent the small blood elven army to fight off "a vast undead army advancing on the ruins of Dalaran" (where Garithos' primary base was located), however his racism dictated he make it nigh-impossible for the blood elves to succeed via removing most of kaels forces, Garithos clearly could have spared an entire battalion for the blood elves (as a spellbreaker says that Garithos has brought an entire battalion with him when he arrives)
Or KT would have held in place long enough for Garithos to defeat the Scourges main thrust and return to assist the force guarding his flank. We simply do not know anywhere near enough to second guess Garithos.if the naga had not helped the blood elves, the scourge would have killed and raised them, then moved on to destroy and re-take the main base of the Alliance in the ruins of Dalaran
Last edited by Talen; 2013-01-06 at 09:36 AM.
Just a few examples off the top of my head....
1. The sheer number of NPCs who clearly have PTSD
2. Stormwind being attacked by a dragon as large as it's castle (Deathwing)
3. A few years earlier the daughter of that dragon was exposed in the throne room (the one place that should be safest in the city)
4. The Defias riots
5. The damn stockades are always having a riot
6. The Archbishop of Stormwind became corrupted and almost blew up the Cathedral, the other place that should have been safest.
7. Giant albino crocolisk in the canals
I could go on for some time, but lets face it, the whole world of Azeroth is likely insane.
So whats up with this? Discrimination... This is just game.
I say Alliance should discriminate Horde races, hate them, and want to erradicate them!
And then i say Horde should do the same with Alliance.
I wana have a full scale war here alright? Where are the god damn charges? Where are them war heroes launching their armies on the field, wheres the relentless march to Stormwind? Where be the loud drums that lay panic across the foes?
This i want from a WARcraft game!
Last edited by keksplace; 2013-01-06 at 11:07 AM.
For the TRUE Horde, the ONLY Horde.
Forsaken being neutral actually makes sense.
There is those Forsaken who secretly hate all (Wrathgate), those who favor the horde and feel like the Alliance have betrayed them, and those that would seem to prefer to still be on the Alliance side, because they still maintain their humanity.
Just look at that Forsaken female in Glades, SM and Scholo. She is Forsaken and wanted to be 'NPC Alliance' but decided to hate against them because her father was ruthless and crazy.
We stopped searching for monsters under our beds when we realized that they were inside us.
Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Name a race on Azeroth and I shall find a serious crime in their past. None have clean hands, none are fit to judge. This is the very nature of Azeroth's story. Mortal fools muddling through with individual heroes rising above petty vendettas and recriminations to save the world.
Of course that's how it currently stands. Retcons await us. They are as inevitable as a trogg scratching his butt (The Dwarves greatest sin is awakening those things so we are forced to endure looking at them).
No, in WC3, Sylvanas attacked the Alliance when she became leader of the forsaken. Blame her.
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