I'm American and I support America.
I'm American and I oppose America.
I'm European and I support my country and/or oppose the EU.
I'm European and I oppose my country and/or support the EU.
I'm of other nationality and I support my country.
I'm of another nationality and I oppose my country.
I also don't believe its possible to say the US is the best country in the world if you haven't lived in several of the other first world nations for long enough to get to know them.
And just happening to be born in a nation, to me anyways, doesn't mean I should have pride in that nation. I'll have pride in a nation if it merits that pride from it's actions.
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There is a large difference in being Patriotic and blindly following a government. I think highly of my country yet I do not agree with how it is ran a lot of the time. One must recognize the good and the bad not just always look for one or the other.
I'm proud of America and it's ideals and the ones I follow. But I feel some things are sensationalized and not everything is doom and gloom. I do feel the whole defining yourself by political field you put yourself in...is just really dumb. It's really tiring, conservative, Liberal IDC. Now I know a republican who's..a bit..not on my fond side but I'm not going to foam at the mouth and go
"YOU DIRTY REPUBLICANS RAWR YA'LL SUCK" or vice versa.
I'm pretty well mannered, just don't go conspiricy theory on me or doom and gloom and we'll get along. I also like cookies.
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I would vote support, but the question is loaded by defining America, and American ideals, as pro-Republican. Given the nature of the GOP as it currently stands, no, I do not support this definition of America. However, the GOP does not represent America, nor should it in its current form. When they drop their social conservatism, maybe I'll reconsider. Until then I remain firmly in the libertarian camp, and support my nation for the people that are in it. I am not proud of my government, and I am not proud by much of the culture that this nation produces. I am proud of this nation's accomplishments, and support those who work to make progress a reality.
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I'm sensing Dog-whistle politics over the whole "do you oppose the EU ?" part in the poll, but anyway. What does it mean to be a nationality? If you are Greek, do you support the government, or do you oppose everything the government has done for the last few decades? And what would you replace it with? America is heavily associated with capitalism, that is true, but I think the countrys origins and early identity is more complex than that. My country doesn't really have any coherent national identity either.
I guess the way I see it, the good stuff that comes out of a country should not be credited to the governments policies. I like many Victorian era novels, butI wouldn't idealize the Imperial colonial era, as fascinating as it would be to learn about. So generally I view national identity and patriotism as quite paradoxical.
Could your poll options be any more biased?
I'm a patriotic American. I believe in the ideals of social responsibility, regard for your neighbors, justice, freedom, and a government intended to work for it's people.
I am not "right-minded." I am "reason minded." Smaller government will almost always be more effective government. Focused, forward-thinking, and largely tangential to our day to day lives.
I also believe strongly that in todays' world, the idea of an armed citizenry serving as our primary line of defense is absurd. We need ICBMs and F15s, and those things do not belong in private hands.
I also believe, in the age of the nuclear family, people do need outside assistance from time-to-time, so support sane, limited welfare. (Note, that is not even close to what we have now.)
I believe that, good health being necessary to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that affordable healthcare should be provided to all citizens.
As you see, my ideals do not line up 100% with yours, but I still feel I am a patriot. That does not mean I am blind to the fact that the original framework provided by the founders has seen both necessary and unnecessary additions since the founding, since the founders were incapable of envisioning many of the changes that predicated those changes.
I'm not "un-American" for believing that the government cannot remain dogmatically wedded to 230 year old ideals.
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Eh, this poll is so bad. I support both my country and the EU. I'm equally patriotic towards both.
I'm European and I support both my country and the EU (but not as much in it's current format).
So instead I'll give a counter argument, Dinamo Bucharest and Steaua Bucharest. 2 football teams from same town, same nation, same people. Yet whenever they play, their supporters fight on streets. Last time we had 2100 gendarmes and police officers trying to make sure they don't fight eachother, and they still burned a few things around. So football is football.
Overall I understand your point in a way, just that I don't agree with it.
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What if I support both my country and EU?
Well I don't support the EU but I do support European integration.
Not that a little bit of healthy patriotism is bad btw, due to some level ofcourse.
Oh and btw, I wanted to vote but my option is not there? I'm European, support my country AND support the EU.
The further to the right you go, the more localized power becomes, which is more efficient because states compete with each other instead of becoming dependent on a central authority.
Having studied history myself, I am far more worried about big government when you consider that 100 million people were killed by governments in the 20th century alone.
You really do sound like a typical Democrat to me. They like the impossible dream of big government. It makes me glad that there have been Conservative Democrats too, but we'll see how long that lasts.
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I put the last option, other nationality and I oppose my country, but I don't really oppose it I just don't support it. I don't support any country over any other country with a few exceptions. The exceptions being countries I oppose and not countries I support. I don't support any country. If America were to go for a free for all war with Australia, Sweden and the UK (Just a random example, I know this won't actually happen xD) I wouldn't care who wins at all. I'd be against the war, so would prefer it if no war happened but given the final outcome I just would not care about the victor. I'd just move somewhere not in a war.
To sum up my feelings on patriotism. I do feel it's pointless and harmful to society as a whole. It's fine to oppose one country if you disagree with what it does but to specifically support one country over all others is kind of just asking for trouble in my opinion.