View Poll Results: Where do you stand?

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  • I'm American and I support America.

    41 37.96%
  • I'm American and I oppose America.

    13 12.04%
  • I'm European and I support my country and/or oppose the EU.

    28 25.93%
  • I'm European and I oppose my country and/or support the EU.

    14 12.96%
  • I'm of other nationality and I support my country.

    8 7.41%
  • I'm of another nationality and I oppose my country.

    4 3.70%
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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    They are telling us how and where to spend our taxes.
    Never heard of that, though there is stupid shit that EU does that I have to agree with, like the recent banning of snus in Sweden. What the fuck does the EU have to do with our snus?
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  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    What does abusing the Armed Forces have to do with the size of a government? Intrusiveness and size are two different things, and nowhere have I said I supported a government of unlimited intrusive ability.
    It seems you and I simply use 2 different definitions for size of government... I suppose according to Wikipedia we'd also both be correct.

    Nevertheless, I determine size of government based on whether I view the areas it's involved in to be appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larrakeyah View Post
    Maybe they should grab a dictionary. Still if you want to debate economics you have to use technical terms and not layman's language.
    If you also want to debate economics, you'll have to look that Full employment STILL has never been achieved as it's only a theoretical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Never heard of that, though there is stupid shit that EU does that I have to agree with, like the recent banning of snus in Sweden. What the fuck does the EU have to do with our snus?
    Whats the hell is a Snus?

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    By UK Law, you are not allowed to be recorded without a notice. This poster and posters on buses are that notice. They are also only done in public sectors. I know for a fact that UK laws are a bit nanny-stateish for their own good, but considering I was once mugged on a bus and they managed to catch the felon via tape is enough for me to know that my public transport is not a huge pile of trash like the American ones
    American public transit doesn't have to be terrible. It just is because we don't fund it. Americans prefer driving themselves around, even when it results in traffic that makes you want to kill yourself and everyone around you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    If I had to guess, it would be because government has a tendency to expand its own power sphere... and the EU looks to be the beginnings of a Federal state.
    Good. We could use another Western power bloc.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    American public transit doesn't have to be terrible. It just is because we don't fund it. Americans prefer driving themselves around, even when it results in traffic that makes you want to kill yourself and everyone around you.
    One of the major problems I also heard it is very easy to mug someone on a bus or a train in America, as weird as it sounds, cameras on buses is totally fine, they're public places that do need security.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Wut. I call myself a Democrat because that is the party to which I align.

    Nothing wrong with government. In fact, pretty much every problem with the current government is the result of the system's design. So blame the Founders.
    Um, no? Foreign Aid, playing World Police, depriving citizens of their constitutional rights? None of those things were implemented by the founders. Those are all modern issues, resulting in a very "Un-American" United States. (Note: America is a super-continent, the United States is the nation which you people are referring to. Please remember basic geography.)
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh would you now? It truly is amazing how many heroic people we have wasting their time on internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Good. We could use another Western power bloc.
    We can have that without being a huge Conglomerate of Country-states.


    Being a decent trading union for one, We need Germany and France to step aside and be less controling first.

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    opposing patriotism =/= opposing america

    Your poll is a bit loaded

  10. #130
    None of the answers in the pole work for me. I'm Faroese, united with Greenland and Denmark in the kingdom of Denmark. Denmark is part of EU.
    I'm a proud Faroese, I support the unity of the kingdom and I support EU. I see myself as patriotic still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Good. We could use another Western power bloc.
    What about countries that want to remain independent yet remain a part of the EU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    One of the major problems I also heard it is very easy to mug someone on a bus or a train in America, as weird as it sounds, cameras on buses is totally fine, they're public places that do need security.
    I live in a relatively small NJ town that's fairly well-to-do. I avoid New York City like the plague were still a thing in there. I wouldn't know much about public transit even if what you said were true.

    Nevertheless, if a place like a public bus needs security, that's one thing. The cameras on your streets are more than a little creepy, though. I mean... you already live in the geographical location of Airstrip One... do you really have to turn your country into it for realsies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    What about countries that want to remain independent yet remain a part of the EU?
    I'd assume "tough shit" would be the response of the EU government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    Um, no? Foreign Aid, playing World Police, depriving citizens of their constitutional rights? None of those things were implemented by the founders. Those are all modern issues, resulting in a very "Un-American" United States. (Note: America is a super-continent, the United States is the nation which you people are referring to. Please remember basic geography.)
    First off, America and the United States are used interchangeably in layman's terms.

    Secondly, all of those problems can be traced to the Founding. The former two are the progeny of the philosophical tradition that was begun with the creation of the American Republic, the latter is simply the government attempting to deal with the limitations placed on it at the founding (which is NOT a comment on whether or not I support said abrogations).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    We can have that without being a huge Conglomerate of Country-states.

    Being a decent trading union for one, We need Germany and France to step aside and be less controling first.
    No one power within the current EU has the military or economic might to compete with the emerging power blocs in South and East Asia. Consolidation is a necessity.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I'd assume "tough shit" would be the response of the EU government.
    Even formulated differently would make that the dumbest statement ever. Having to choose between independence and economic suicide sounds way too Soviet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Good. We could use another Western power bloc.
    I disagree. American hegemony is pretty much essential for the peaceful functioning of the world. No matter how aligned our interests might be with such a nation, there would eventually be a power struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    What about countries that want to remain independent yet remain a part of the EU?
    Either client states, or tough shit.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    If you also want to debate economics, you'll have to look that Full employment STILL has never been achieved as it's only a theoretical.
    It has been achieved, when the people who want a job can get one, that's full employment for the layman. It's not 100% unemployment because a lot of people rationally don't want to get a job. Both Singapore and Australia (Australia a few months ago) achieved that, and probably more countries, maybe Hong Kong and South Korea?

    In the coal mine where i worked 2 years ago the company had to go abroad to recruit people. The fucking Australian Army is paying a ton of money to U.S veterans to emigrate to Australia because they dont' have enough people, submarines docked for lack of people. That's full employment which is not the same as 100% employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I disagree. American hegemony is pretty much essential for the peaceful functioning of the world. No matter how aligned our interests might be with such a nation, there would eventually be a power struggle.
    No, the most stable systems are multipolar ones in which a balance of power operates. That, and the US simply doesn't have the means necessary to sustain itself as the sole hyperpower anymore.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Either client states, or tough shit.
    Wow, you guys really seem to think of the EU as a new Soviet Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I live in a relatively small NJ town that's fairly well-to-do. I avoid New York City like the plague were still a thing in there. I wouldn't know much about public transit even if what you said were true.

    Nevertheless, if a place like a public bus needs security, that's one thing. The cameras on your streets are more than a little creepy, though. I mean... you already live in the geographical location of Airstrip One... do you really have to turn your country into it for realsies?
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    I'd assume "tough shit" would be the response of the EU government.
    Honestly? I would agree with you about the cameras if I didn't know they were much better positioned than people let on, most cameras are in two places

    A) High Streets

    B) High Traffic areas

    One stops muggers and violence.

    The other stops pricks with terrible driving.

    They're not the worst thing to happen really, Cameras are only put in residential areas when voted for by the residents.

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