Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.- Thucydides
There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.- Eugen Weber
Twice he's made proposals to change L90 Mage talents, and both times they didn't make it into PTR but DID make it into the notes. He also continues to say that the L90 talents are an issue, but then goes and says "Mage mechanics are fine". I can't respect a hypocrite, a liar, and someone who just doesn't give a fuck :\
Progression pre-nerfed: [T17] 2/7M; 0/10N
He's just asking us to formulate our feedback intelligently and not emotionally.
"GC, everyone is tired of Frost Mage control and burst. It's a hard counter to everything. We all told you in Beta that Shatter combos were OP but you've just ignored us and let Frost be OP for an entire expac."
^ Meaningless feedback.
"GC, I was wondering if you could take the time to address some of my concerns with Frost Mages. I PvP actively on 4 different toons, and in NONE of my arena teams are we able to handle frost mages. I saw some forum feedback in Beta about their burst being too high - do you agree or disagree? Any expected changes we can look forward to, or can I expect the class to ride until next expac?"
^ Essentially the same feedback, just more likely to be payed attention to and not ignored / downvoted into oblivion.
All this talk of absolute statements, hypocrisy, and majority arguments are making my head hurt.
Take a deep breath, it's going to be okay, I promise.
Edit: I like the guy just fine, but I certainly don't praise him or hang on his every word. I don't agree with all of his design decisions, but I also understand and accept that HE's the dev, and I'm the player, and that's not likely to change. Yes, he and dev team make a lot of mistakes, but that doesn't make him an asshole, it makes him human.
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This is the FOURTH time you claimed that decline of sales is due to bad attitude towards players without providing any proof!
Can you stop doing that? It's getting freaking annoying.
There is no "bad attitude" towards players, it's against trolls and those trolls deserve it.
And it the boss thinks that this will get more players to pay him, than he allows devs to do what they are doing.And players pay his bosses so that they can in turn pay him.
And that site had 4 reasons why subs might be dropping, none of them related to a bad attitude towards players.No i referenced the over all attitude, you asserted that i just meant specifically and only GC, and I provided 2 links to pretty popular gaming review and technology sites. I am not going to literally do all the work because you refuse to do that yourself.
No, it's not.No its a basic element for debate and making an arguement which you have failed to do on both counts.
Maybe in elementary school, but in the grown-up world that's not an argument.
Yes, dodge the arguments! Really mature of you.The sucess you are suggesting, has nothing to do with privilage of the company, it comes from the customers and the over all population to endure or stick through it, which in about a month if we find those 10 million subs drop to about 9 million or more again. I guessing soon nobody will have a GC to complain about along with a few others.
Your links have ZERO relevance to this topic, better luck next time.
If we take current number of WoW subs to be between 8-10 million, then you have to understand the forums, twitter, and the people you communicate with in game are truly a small minority. You also have to trust that GC and Blizzard have access to much more data and feedback than we do. We see numbers on WoWProgress. They can directly access participation numbers from game logs.
Just because I feel something is wrong or broken doesn't mean it is. And even if it is, it doesn't mean my change would be appropriate.
[Continuing the fictitious example]Frost Mage's position in PvP balance, however, isn't as subjective as the difficulty level of heroics. Either Mages are OP, UP, balanced, or somewhere else along that continuum. I don't think any number of players quitting due to Frost Mage balance in PvP would be cause for Blizzard to rethink their state in balance. As well, I am almost certain at least one individual has quit primarily due to Frost's position in PvP balance. I would argue that this individual's feedback overall has no bearing on whether or not Mages are balanced.
Every day, somebody on the forums says Mages are OP, and everyday somebody says they are UP. The amount of players who side with either argument is irrelevant to the actual position of Frost in PvP.
Sorry to rag on Mages so much, I just always see people languish for nerfs to Frost and I thought it would be a good example to use where Blizzard repeatedly ignores the "majority feedback" that Frost should be nerfed, arguably to the benefit of PvP balance and the game as a whole.
Stuff like "my rotation isn't fun" is much more subject to opinionated and non-fact base feedback than something like the poignancy of a spec in PvP play.
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Where you are wrong is that Blizz isn't forced to act on your suggestions merely because you believe they should, regardless of your degree of correctness on the matter.
I'd argue that, most of the time stuff isn't implemented, it's not because Blizz didn't want to do it.
See: New player models, the proposed DotA bg, item upgrades in 5.0, etc.
While I appreciate him and the job he does....one thing I don't like is how when there's a serious problem with the game....but he manages to find the dumbest, most arrogant tweet about that problem and responds like the person's an imbecile (which they probably are) but then it makes the rest of us who actually have constructive and thought-out ideas a little peeved.
The opposite I've also heard in the years (all Alliance are kids) ... so by the two theories, nearly no adults play this game at all, which is false.
Anecdotal evidence is useless, especially when coming from a skewed originating viewpoint, and based on no real life evidence (I 'think' this person is 12 based on my online interaction with someone who lives no where near me, nor have any proof anything they say has any value or merit (lies)).
Ghostcrawler is doing a great job, and I hope he doesn't get discouraged. I don't agree with everything he says, nor some of the decisions as a whole Blizzard has made with various aspects of the game, but that doesn't make him an asshole. I respect he is trying to communicate, even though people mostly vent -at- him, and rarely talk with him nor give proper feedback; mostly just 'I'm mad, u suck, fix it or u is da worse eva and I quit!!!1' nerf x it killed my y too easily, and other stuff ... nor do they listen to the reasons (arcane using scorch was unintended use of mechanics, to avoid class design limitations (mana management)).
But it is all ok, Mad_Murdock is 12 years old playing Horde with his 12 year old friends ... the world can be at peace now
As for your last sentence, I would disagree whole-heartedly. I believe most of the things they don't want to change/implement is because they don't want to change/implement it. People have wanted a DotA style BG since DotA became popular, do you really think it would take 6+ years to create? Same could easily be said of character models, I remember people starting to ask for better models back when Aion came out. Do you think it takes 3-4 years to make new art? These sort of things are suggestions that they either started and scrapped because they decided they didn't want to do it at that time, or decided to keep as a backup plan because they knew people would still want those things far into the future. Transmog is a prime example of that, especially with how easily it could have been done, but was held back until they knew Cataclysm was going badly and they needed something to keep players happy. Overall I think you are just giving Blizzard too much undeserved credit.
I just read an entire page of Tweets and even most of those trolls get treated fairly.
If people can't read a little sarcasm without bursting out in tears than it's their problem.
It makes normal customers have more respect for you and therefore make them more loyal.
If it was really a negative effect, someone up would have told him to stop and kiss the ass of everyone who attacked them.