the crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by lawsomething difficult or unpleasant: something that is very difficult or unpleasant and involves great effort or hardship
kill somebody illegally: to kill another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law
No, it's not murder.
It's his death for his choice to attack me, by breaking into my home.
Why would you want to take a criminal-suspect, prisoner?
By the way, if you're going to pick apart a response, pick apart the whole thing.
Here in Texas, we have the Castle Doctrine, if someone uses unlawful force on you, your home, place of business, or vehicle (even if it's not at home), they are extensions of your "castle" (home) and you are lawful in using the force to suppress the threat, which would include, taking their life.the crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law
Let me use the "taken out of context" card.
Because you literally just did.
If I were to say, walk into someone's store, which is private, and obviously I didn't just fucking kick the door down or have a crowbar in my hand, obviously I wouldn't shoot that person.
And no, it's any force you deem necessary, if you want to pepper spray them, that's fine, if you want to forcibly shove their testicles back into their hips, you can do that, too.
Key word being, UNLAWFUL.
There I made it big so you can't possibly take me out of context again.
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I am glad I live in Texas, I'd never live anywhere else where I can't defend myself as I can.
Them: Oh, I wouldn't possibly tell you, good sir.
Me: Why not?
Them: I'm a criminal, obviously you shouldn't know my intentions.
Me: Ah, quite right, carry on, I'll just finish watching this progra- ahp well you've stolen my T.V. and it appears I've been stabbed.
This is a Han Solo situation, if I see the threat in my house, I'm not taking a chance, it's going to be eliminated before they can harm me/my family.
This is entirely plausible in this case, the man went for them in the closet, do you think he was going to tell her that he was just going to grab a few bucks and walk out?
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The person who breaks into the house is mentally disabled. They are lost and scared and don't have the social skills to deal with the situation. They don't have the ability to empathize with the house owner or put themselves in their position, they don't know what they are doing is wrong.
The person has epilepsy or is diabetic. They are wandering around in a confused state, they can't think/don't know what's happening or where they are and may be aggressive towards others but otherwise not particularly dangerous.
In both of these scenarios you have just killed an innocent, sick person in need of help.
But hey, you still have your watch, right?
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If Iran were to suddenly start executing people accused of breaking and entering, how would you react? Would you feel that it is a dire breach of Human Rights? Would you petition your government to do something to save these people?
What if the US govt were to do the same thing, no trial, just execute anyone caught in someone else's home without permission.
Because that is essentially what is happening here. There is no trial, no due process, no 'innocent until proven guilty', no judge, no jury of peers. You have one person, untrained in anything beyond aiming a gun, carrying out an execution order that they decided upon. A person who could be drunk, high, depressed, scared witless, or otherwise incapable of rational thought under pressure. That one irrational, flawed person is playing God, in some cases even saying God approved.
How is this right?
Let's take it one step further.
How would you feel if it wasn't a burglar, but a US soldier who was killed. He walked into a civilian's home in another country and got shot down. By your arguments, this too is fine. It doesn't matter if the soldier was there to help or not, he was on their property. He was a 'threat', he deserved to die.
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