What is your Idea for The Ideal Government

[Zhangfei]

end state of communism is Anarchy though. Once the people have become inherently selfless then the need for a ruling body will cease to exist and the State will fall away.

That's why Communism is the evolution into Anarchy while Anarcho-Capitalism (or classic Anarchy) is the degradation into it.

You're confusing Bakunin with Marx and mixing up the ideas. Communism itself is the end state (socialism is the development towards it.) The fundamental difference is that in communism, the entire people are the government; they govern themselves and help govern others in a beneficial way where everyone works together. Anarchy does not expect this and demands more freedom in the hopes people will be nice. It has no inherent need for people to work together.

[GennGreymane]

How about

the Greymanes rule everything

is that cool?

[Eggers]

Ideal government from my personal perspective - Capitalism (current U.S. system) with me as large shareholder. Why? Plenty of freedom, plenty of money, little to no responsibility and minimal work.


Ideal government that would actually work for the majority of people - a true democracy.

[Grumash]

A government that protects the reproductive rights of women.

A government that protects and enshrines the right of homosexuals to marry.

A government that provides robust investment in infrastructure.

A government that sets a simple, but very highly progressive system of taxation.

A government that provides health care to all its citizens.

A government that provides higher education tuition free.

A government that is democratic while also protecting the rights of minorities.

A government that preserves the environment by keeping the water and air clean.

A government that subsidizes renewable sources of energy.

A government that ensures adequate funding for scientific research, including stem cells.

A government that provides substantial aid to those affected by natural disasters.

A government that sets a minimum, but living wage.

A government that provides support for the jobless, homeless, hungry, and mentally ill.

A government that significantly limits the sale and distribution of firearms to the general public.

A government that provides exceptional compensation for teachers of all grade levels.

A government that focuses on reducing income inequality while still protecting individual freedoms.

A government that is secular and that doesn't put religion above scientific evidence.

So i see you want your government to do everything for you. Also keep in mind that a government that did most all those things would probably tax you at 80% or more, regardless of how much you make (or be terribly deep in debt, like the US is atm).

One other thing, go look up nations with the largest vs. smallest income inequalities. Now tell me which of those nations are doing the best. Yeah, sounds like your 'ideal government' would have a shitty country.

[DieFichte]

So i see you want your government to do everything for you. Also keep in mind that a government that did most all those things would probably tax you at 80% or more, regardless of how much you make (or be terribly deep in debt, like the US is atm).

One other thing, go look up nations with the largest vs. smallest income inequalities. Now tell me which of those nations are doing the best. Yeah, sounds like your 'ideal government' would have a shitty country.

I don't know about you, but we have most of these points covered with an average tax of 25% (+/-), I don't know if we would need 55% more taxes to cover the few points missing, I guess not. Oh and the countries with low income equality are pretty decent countries, dunno where you are going with that, please elaborate.

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Friedrich Engels

[Mechazod]

All devouring hybrid intergalactic hive-mind super being.

[obdigore]

All devouring hybrid intergalactic hive-mind super being.

So... the borg?

[Underverse]

Yes humans would have to evolve in order to not need government.

idk we did pretty well without government for a couple million years

[obdigore]

idk we did pretty well without government for a couple million years

What the hell are you talking about?

[Abysal]

My ideal government maximizes the amount of freedom people have. This means a government which lets you do what you want up until the point that what you're doing violates someone else's freedoms.

[DieFichte]

idk we did pretty well without government for a couple million years

Tribal cultur is a form of government.

But we can go further back beyond that, where everyone was responsible for his own survival, but at that point, it's ironic we are discussing this on a platform dedicated to a hobby, something you don't have much in such enviroment, but you have freedom, until the wooden mace of your neighbour ends it.

[Underverse]

Tribal cultur is a form of government.

But we can go further back beyond that, where everyone was responsible for his own survival, but at that point, it's ironic we are discussing this on a platform dedicated to a hobby, something you don't have much in such enviroment, but you have freedom, until the wooden mace of your neighbour ends it.

hm usually government and culture are seen as two different things

But anyway on topic I think it would be interesting to see some kind of communism that is actually communism, or maybe an ai dictator

[DieFichte]

hm usually government and culture are seen as two different things

What makes a tribe with a hirarchie not a form of government?

[ElAmigo]

'Merica, 10 years ago. 'Nuff said.

Lol, please be joking.

Brave New World cause fuck it.

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idk we did pretty well without government for a couple million years

Mind explaining just wtf you're talking about? We've only been around for about 10,000 years if I remember right from Human Geography...