Is enthusiasm for WoW dwindling?

[rhorle]

I disagree (partially).
If you are a player that plays for the story and lore, something like HM won't be new/extra content to you.
On the other side a lore-player has more than enough stuff to do besides raiding, so he shouldn't be complaining about content.

I agree that Normal-raids are the standard though.

Content is content. Creating a limit upon what you want to see and experience is a limit that you yourself have imposed upon the game. It doesn't change the amount of actual content that exists in the game. Just because you refuse to do heroics for personal reasons doesn't change the fact that it is content there in the game.

It is still new content, or extra content. What if I say I don't want to do dailies, quests, rep grinds, dungeons, heroics, raids. I only want to sit in the capital city and chat in trade. Do I have a right to say the Blizzard has added no new content to the game? No I don't. Why? Because I am creating an artificial rule of what is content rather then accepting that there is plenty of content being added.

Refusing to see something as content doesn't change the fact that it is content. It just makes you blind.

[Luciferiuz]

I disagree (partially).
If you are a player that plays for the story and lore, something like HM won't be new/extra content to you.
On the other side a lore-player has more than enough stuff to do besides raiding, so he shouldn't be complaining about content.

I agree that Normal-raids are the standard though.

As long as we can all agree that clearing LFR isn't clearing the raid tier I'll be happy.

Seriously, if you are out there complaining about a lack of PvE content because you spent last night doing LFR and have now "seen" all the raid bosses in the tier I want you to raise your hand.

Now hit yourself with it.

[Granyala]

I'm still as interested in WoW as I was when I started in BC.

Blizzard did a fabulous job with the Pandaria content, much better and more entertaining than I anticipated.
I was one of the people who thought "OMG Beer drinking pandas, nothing good can come from this".

As long as we can all agree that clearing LFR isn't clearing the raid tier I'll be happy.

Not even close. In LFR you get to LOOK at the raidbosses, but it's in normal & heroic where you get to FIGHT them.

[Attsey]

Well... heroic is more PvE content. I fully understand not wanting to clear the rest of the PvE content but you can't honestly tell me that it 'doesn't count' as content because you don't want to/unable to do it.

If someone considers LFR the end of the raid content then I put it to you that they are retarded.

Much the same way that if someone did one pet battle and then told me they had run out of pet battle content to do I would be somewhat skeptical.

If you cant do it, it may as well not be there. This is the whole reason 3 skill levels were introduced in the first place. Heroic content is PvE content but the reasons stated you cant simply tell people theres plenty to do just because they have not completed the same thing 3 times.

If people are happy to see content on LFR who are you to say that they are retarded? You could argue that playing with virtual pets is pretty bloody stupid.

[Luciferiuz]

If you cant do it, it may as well not be there. This is the whole reason 3 skill levels were introduced in the first place. Heroic content is PvE content but the reasons stated you cant simply tell people theres plenty to do just because they have not completed the same thing 3 times.

If people are happy to see content on LFR who are you to say that they are retarded? You could argue that playing with virtual pets is pretty bloody stupid.

So by your logic there was no raid content in Vanilla or TBC because some people weren't able to do it?

If people are happy to see content on LFR then more power to them. If people think finishing LFR content means they have now completed the PvE content of the game and have the right to demand more then they have a screw loose.

I could argue people wasting time on a videogame when they could be developing a lifeskill is pretty bloody stupid. But I won't. Because I don't agree.

[Kangodo]

Content is content. Creating a limit upon what you want to see and experience is a limit that you yourself have imposed upon the game. It doesn't change the amount of actual content that exists in the game. Just because you refuse to do heroics for personal reasons doesn't change the fact that it is content there in the game.

It is still new content, or extra content. What if I say I don't want to do dailies, quests, rep grinds, dungeons, heroics, raids. I only want to sit in the capital city and chat in trade. Do I have a right to say the Blizzard has added no new content to the game? No I don't. Why? Because I am creating an artificial rule of what is content rather then accepting that there is plenty of content being added.

Refusing to see something as content doesn't change the fact that it is content. It just makes you blind.

I agree that it's content.
You'd have to understand that some people don't experience it as content because they have no interest in it.
I hate PvP, so I do not consider it content for me. But I am not going to complain because I understand that this game has 10 million other customers to cater to.

[muchtoohigh]

Ooh God, after Jaylock, Shadee and Quras we get muchtoohigh! God help us all :')

But you've been calling this since Cataclysm!
1. I really don't see where the game is simple, shallow or hollow.
2. I disagree about not having any depth to it.
3. I really wonder why you are still so much on a WoW-forum? Isn't it clear that the direction you dislike is the one they are going to follow?

You are honestly the most fascinating person I have ever come across on the internet. I sincerely wish I could meet you irl.

[Luciferiuz]

just because they have not completed the same thing 3 times.

Also, as specified multiple times, it is not the same thing. Much as running Shado-pan Monastery at level 87 and getting a gold time on the Shado-pan Monastery challenge mode is not the same thing.

[Kangodo]

You are honestly the most fascinating person I have ever come across on the internet. I sincerely wish I could meet you irl.

Now I feel threatened

En garde!

[Attsey]

So by your logic there was no raid content in Vanilla or TBC because some people weren't able to do it?

If people are happy to see content on LFR then more power to them. If people think finishing LFR content means they have now completed the PvE content of the game and have the right to demand more then they have a screw loose.

I could argue people wasting time on a videogame when they could be developing a lifeskill is pretty bloody stupid. But I won't. Because I don't agree.

Well that is the reason why they introduced 3 skill levels - so people could see the content. There was ofc a BIG difference - they were all new bosses not the same thing again with more hit points and maybe an extra trick.

The fact that you consider playing a video game as better time spent than developing a life skill is an odd thing to admit to.

[Xl House lX]

From my own personal experiences, it seems like many people I know who play WoW, or have played WoW just say the game is a hamster wheelhouse. In other words, they say that Blizzard keeps churning out content that is the "same as before." Also it seems like the people in the guild only raid because there is "nothing else to do to keep them busy."

Nothing else to do to keep them busy? Yet this expansion has arguably more to do than any other expansion start with the exception of TBC. People call it burn out.

Content is now less varied, and comes out slower than before, and they call major content patches (5.1) content. Not much content there if you ask me.

Also another piece of evidence: Have you seen the server status lately when looking at sever lists? Most of the full servers are now medium to high, all the high servers are now low or medium, and medium servers are now low to non existant pops at peak times.

Whats the deal? Is enthusiasm for the game in general just dwindling?

The game is old. Of course enthusiasm is dwindling. The very nature of the genre that is WoW is to keep the same players playing a long time, while bringing in new players at a slow but steady pace. However, with more freemium style games coming out, newer gimmicks for other games to attract players, the amount of incoming players is slowing down, and because of the mere age of WoW, the current players are starting to quit.

Yes, MoP did increase subscriber count, but doesn't every expansion do that? It's as you stated OP, its burnout. People are getting tired of WoW, it doesn't matter what Blizzard puts in the game.

But, because of that doesn't mean its a bad game. Its just old.

[Nouk]

Haha, well, people who compare TBC's Raid Content to todays always make me chuckle. So cute.
"We had ADDS to control! All the while we had to dodge a void zone! And we had a friggin' DPS Check, can you imagine THAT? Stuff was CRAZY hard man!"

BC had some nice encounters, sure. But an assload of crappy ones to bloat the Raids, too.

I find it fascinating too, that the Players have the exercise of 6 years playing this game, and consuming the content, and then think that this magically also empowers the Dev's to work faster. Guess what, they may have streamlined their workflow ALOT since back in the day, but it still takes the same effort than before. Concept's, both Art and Game-Design, still have to be thought of , iterated, corrected and then implemented. You can't shortcut this process.

[Luciferiuz]

The fact that you consider playing a video game as better time spent than developing a life skill is an odd thing to admit to.

That would be odd. If that was what I said. Which it isn't.

What I said was that I would never argue about "wasting time" in a videogame I play specifically for enjoyment in my spare time because I don't agree that that is a waste.

Now did you have a valid point to add or were you happier discussing the semantics of my sentence construction?

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Haha, well, people who compare TBC's Raid Content to todays always make me chuckle. So cute.
"We had ADDS to control! All the while we had to dodge a void zone! And we had a friggin' DPS Check, can you imagine THAT? Stuff was CRAZY hard man!"

BC had some nice encounters, sure. But an assload of crappy ones to bloat the Raids, too.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Sure the fights were simpler, but they were tuned well. I remember Maiden for example with the pillars and holy fire dispell as a fairly simple fight which still gave a pretty great challenge when you were learning the encounter. The same can be said for Attumen, Big Bad Wolf and a bunch of other bosses.

Which ones would you consider "crappy"?

[BrerBear]

I don't necessarily agree with this. Sure the fights were simpler, but they were tuned well. I remember Maiden for example with the pillars and holy fire dispell as a fairly simple fight which still gave a pretty great challenge when you were learning the encounter. The same can be said for Attumen, Big Bad Wolf and a bunch of other bosses.

Which ones would you consider "crappy"?

Void Reaver
High Astromancer Solarian
Shade of Akama
Rage Winterchill
Anetheron
Morogrim Tidewalker

All crappy.

[Luciferiuz]

Void Reaver
High Astromancer Solarian
Shade of Akama
Rage Winterchill
Anetheron
Morogrim Tidewalker

All crappy.

Objection retracted. That's a fairly solid list.

[Granyala]

I remember Maiden for example with the pillars and holy fire dispell as a fairly simple fight which still gave a pretty great challenge when you were learning the encounter.

Erm no. You need ONE person that finds his dispel button. That's it. I did the dispelling as a shadow priest.

Attumen, Big Bad Wolf

Attumen was a joke. Even my horrible noob group, comprised of first time raiders killed him on Try 2.
Wolf was not hard, it was annoying because you got stuck on textures and the guy walked diagonal when you ran too fast.

Which ones would you consider "crappy"?

Hydross - lame resistance gathering. All yo had to do was get your dps to hold it's feet.
Lurker - Yaawn Rag 2.0
Solololarian
"Trashlooter" (Void reaver)
First 5 bosses of Hyjal were pretty unimaginative and boring.
Akama's freeloot

Good bosses:
Netherdragon in Kara
Nightbane
Kael'thas
Vashj
Most of Black temple was fun too esp. Gorefiend... remember the flash minigame for practice?

Disclaimer: I only progressed up to RoS, so I won't judge It and what comes after it incl. Sunwell.

[Deadmauselol]

personally i cant keep playing the same WoW system. Get gear, raid, get better gear, raid, get even better gear, level up and do some heroics. Rinse repeat.
Not saying i dont like WoW, i just cant keep doing the same thing if its not fun and i play video games for fun.

Also the pvp has gotten worse each expansion.

[Mormolyce]

It's an 8 year old game. You can only play any game so long before it gets boring, even with content updates.

[Virtua]

Any game that has been out for as long as WoW has will generally see interest start to dwindle.

This.

WoW's kind of old news at this point. I still like it, even though I don't play it. I have so many good memories associated with this game that, like many of my favorite offline titles, I'll always go and listen to music from the game and check out forums for the game. At this point though, the gaming masses have moved onto Call of Duty, DOTA 2 and LoL. The spotlight is now on those games, and probably will be on those games for quite a few more years before some other big gaming craze comes along.

[Schmittay]

I've pretty much quit WoW. Several years of playing just to do the same thing: Grind for gear each tier.

There's no incentive to do anything but raid or PvP. Sure there are other little things you can do like pet battles and professions but they are all just there to do between dungeons / raids / BG's / arena.

I logged on the other day and saw the same people in trade I have seen for years just trolling and thought...what's the point?

I decided I need a more sandbox kinda game.