Still gives VP and is nice to test something in Raid Enviroment. Don't think LFR will die.
i'm in a top 2000 guild and i can say for a fact that none of the raiders are raiding LFR anymore because there is no use for it everyone has better gear and all their sigils, it was only mandatory for us when we needed gear and sigils and doing a random dungeon/scenario everyday is so much better then the little valor you get. So next tier if neither of us has any gear needed (if its lower then normal/heroic) then why the hell would we run it???
I can't possibly imagine the gear from T15 LFR will be less than T14 normal, that would put it at less than valor gear since MSV normal is 489 and so is valor. Which would also mean that doing a week of dailies could get you significantly higher ilvl gear from 5.1 faction, and that upgraded items would beat out anything from LFR since they will not be upgradeable. Meaning my 491 Shin'ka would actually be higher ilvl than whatever weapon would drop from potentially the thunder king himself. That is a bizarre system and they always talk about how they don't like things that aren't intuitive, "don't feel right", etc. Having 486 gear or whatever drop from T15 LFR would certainly qualify for "doesn't feel right".
I can see it being lower than T14 Heroic gear sure, that's almost a certainty. I imagine it'll be around 496. If we factor in ilvl required to que with comparable drop, for MSV it was 460 for 476, a 16 ilvl upgrade, or HoF/Terrace is was 470 for 483, a 13 ilvl upgrade, so if it is 486 (currently the ilvl to que on PTR) one could project a 10 ilvl upgrade, putting it at 496 minimum. If they lower the que ilvl to 483, or even 480, it still falls in line with the previous trend of a 13 to 16 ilvl gap from que to drops.
37 + (3*7) + (3*7)W/L/Death count: Wolf: 0/1/1 | Mafia: 0/5/5 | TPR: 0/2/3SK: 0/1/1 | VT: 1.5/3.5/5 | Cult: 1/0/1
We can look at cataclysm for comparison. When DS lfr was released the gear had ilvl 384, which was better than the last tier's normal gear (378) but worse than its heroic counterpart (391). So logically the LFR gear in the 5.2 raid should definitely not have lower ilvl than 496.
Does anyone remember the ilvl requirements for LFR back in Dragon Soul?
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I'm doing LFR every week since start, and I'm normal/hc raider, and I know many people do that aswell. LFR is easy way to get valor, and I'm trying to do weekly cap on first day of reset. Don't see a reason why this should be different in 5.2
I do a few LFRs each week to cap out on VP, and I still see people in the groups that whine about not getting misc drops. People are still doing LFR MSV that actually NEED stuff. I really doubt once the 5.2 LFRs start to trickle out that the numbers will dwindle. There are always new alts/players leveling up to 90, and people will need to do those 5.1 raids to get the items to do Throne.
Everyone will be OK.
Serious raiders don't "need" the current LFR either...
They still use it for:
Supplying their gear for a slot where they still didn't get a piece from the regular raids.
A fast way to knock out the valor gain from all LFR's combined, in one day.
Gearing up Alts.
I see no decline worries.
i only do the last raid from LFR , and i get 30min+ queque times on wednesday as DPS .... the problem here is if the next tier LFR need u to get ilvl 480 or so ot get in, it gona be even worse and longer queques (read there were a ilvl req of 490?)
I don't think LFR is suffering at all tbh. Of course you're going to see a decline at the end of a Tier, that's the way it works. Add to that, you may be in a smaller battle group or your faction is highly outnumbered etc. So there's several reasons why LFR queues for SOME people are higher now than at the beginning of the Tier.
I highly doubt Blizz will make it, so that Heroic raiders don't have to do LFR. They know very well what happens, when not enough good players join the LFR queue. If you take a full group of 25 people who've never done anything but LFR, you're in for a wipe fest. There's always a few raiders, who can instruct, carry and do key mechanics, so that the rest can be /afk or w/e they are.
Personally I hope, that I don't have to run LFR as a raider.
I ran LFR mostly for offspec and trinkets, don't see that change. The VP are a nice bonus for lower tier normal guilds like mine who can't finish cap with normal/heroic bosses and daily dungeons only, but not needed or time efficient at all. I'm guessing the new LFR ilvl is gonna be somewhere around 490, based on the announcement. Between Mogu and HoF normal anyway.
Noone will run 5.0 LFR because new malevolent gear is 483 and why waste time in LFR when you can grind them guarenteed in battlegrounds.
The "you have to PVP to get PVE gear" era is back again folks