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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    As tenuous as the source provided was, it is still the only proof linked in this thread.
    I mean dont get me wrong, I think its rediculous she had those kids anyway, but im getting tired of seeing so much abuse about this woman on the internet. Regardless though, if she does flip at one point the courts will decide what happens to the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    Again, this bitch had 6 kids and decided to get more. She did not lose her job or anything like that. Take this recession shit to another thread.

    I wasn't addressing you with that point now was I? Either counter the point or move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    According to who? The only thing you ever see about this woman is tabloid bullshit, shes clearly not insane if she's managing to take care of a nursery of kids.
    I'm not claiming she's insane.

    I'm merely claiming that someone that has more kids than they can afford, and then has MORE, obviously lacks the responsibility or decision-making ability, necessary to raise children.

    Further, she's NOT MANAGING, clearly, otherwise she wouldn't need welfare.

    My stance on these issues have hardened over the years, but... If you're not independently wealthy or in a stable, committed relationship, you have no business having kids. Sure, something can always go wrong, but when you start out behind the 8-ball, you're not doing anyone any favors.
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    What I don't understand are these people believing she's having kids to get free money.

    I mean... jeebus, she's got 14 kids! If somebody paid me a million dollars - I still wouldn't think it would be worth it! Let alone the majority of that money is going into diapers and feeding the little screamers. >_<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    What is with people? She shouldn't be eligible for welfare. The idea of rewarding people for abusing their reproductive capibility is mind blowing. Personally? This woman should be steralized and the kids she can't provide for taken away and put into state care.

    She cannot possibly raise 14 kids, it's impossible for one person to do and she doesn't have money to pay for additional care takers.
    so u want to punish her children and put them in homes that are like animal shelters, instead of giving her a few thousand a month to help raise them. I dont agree with the fact of her having so many children knowing that she wouldnt be able to care for them herself, but no reason to punish her children over it. Also putting them in care of the state would actually cost taxpayers more than giving her welfare...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    And yet many self proclaimed experts where still caught off guard.


    Hmmm?
    Only those who were incompetent. Those who actually predicted this like Peter Schiff were laughed off and labeled doom-dayers by the majority of the "self proclaimed experts" who didnt believe home prices could ever fall. Nobody can look at double digit home appreciation gains and think it could last. When I was trying to buy a home in 2003 I educated myself on the home buying process and the financial aspect and concluded I couldnt afford a house at those prices. I also couldnt figure out how others could, in a matter of 5 years I figured out how the could afford it. They couldnt. The whole economy was a false economy. What we are experiencing now is what the economy should have been during the entire Bush admin.

    I think there were many people disillusioned or looked the other way. Why rain on the economic parade when you can pile on and get yours too? Many people refinanced to buy THINGS, then got caught underwater when their property lost value when they might have been ok if they didnt do the refi. My favorite is a woman who had been foreclosed on her home that she lived in for 20 years because she was underwater on the loan. People threw caution to the wind while signing quarter million dollar loans, yet they blame predatory lending as if bankers were hiding in the shadows and scooping unsuspecting people and forcing them into loans.

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    This is a perfect example of welfare subsedizing stupidity. Yes, welfare does need to be overhauled so that it does not encourage and subsedize foolishness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    I mean dont get me wrong, I think its rediculous she had those kids anyway, but im getting tired of seeing so much abuse about this woman on the internet. Regardless though, if she does flip at one point the courts will decide what happens to the kids.
    She likely wouldn't be being abused if she hadn't reduced herself to a caricature trying to get by doing curiosity porn. If she just came out and admitted her terrible decisions, settled in for a humble ride in a solid community, and did the right things, I'd bet she would get all the help she needs. The whole situation makes it feel like she would rather be a curiosity in the tabloids than just put her head down and grind it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    What I don't understand are these people believing she's having kids to get free money.

    I mean... jeebus, she's got 14 kids! If somebody paid me a million dollars - I still wouldn't think it would be worth it! Let alone the majority of that money is going into diapers and feeding the little screamers. >_<
    I don't believe she's having kids for the purpose of acquiring money, but I believe at some point it gets ridiculous and ends up wasting everyone's money. I mean, welfare to take care of 2, 3, 4 kids is fine in my view but after that... please think of the rest of us. Buy a condom or something, kids cost thousands of dollars condoms are a few dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Wasn't in the right state of mind when she had more kids doesn't = TAKE THEM ALL AWAY!!!

    Parents are never always in the right state of mind, does that mean we must always take away the kids? Right now the kids love their mother, do you think usurping her children away from their loving household into a orphanage where they likely won't get adopted (hence feel rejection) beneficial?
    You think she actually 'loves' them... I dont... I think she loves herself and is exploiting the children... if she was on assistance and had 6, why the HELL should the public be forced to pay for 8 more? Think about it. If you are one for banning guns, shouldn't we at least consider banning assistance to irresponsible, self-important, baby factories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutnbrg View Post
    so u want to punish her children and put them in homes that are like animal shelters,
    If I were one of her kids, I would rather live in an actual animal shelter. They might have a chance at a 'forever home'. I mean, shit, if they found homes for some of Vick's pitbulls...
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    In my opinion, it really depends on how good of a mother she is. If it would be likely that the children would be better taken care of in another household, her children should be taken away, because even before the 8 children, she was already in debt (iirc), if the children would be better in her household, she should continue to be given money, but she should also not be allowed to continue to have more children.

    I don't know of a solution that would ever pass but my personal feelings on this is only certain people in good financial situations (i.e. able to take care of their children) should be allowed to have children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    You think she actually 'loves' them... I dont... I think she loves herself and is exploiting the children... if she was on assistance and had 6, why the HELL should the public be forced to pay for 8 more? Think about it. If you are one for banning guns, shouldn't we at least consider banning assistance to irresponsible, self-important, baby factories?
    That's what child services is supposed to take care of. If the children are in danger they should be taken away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Actually it ''IS'' the doctors business lol. The fact that he put MORE EMBRYOS and lied about it, is clearly the doctors business. The fact he didn't care about her mental state ''IS'' the doctors business.

    Can you please explain the logic behind someone having 6 kids already and wanting more, while not capable or raising the 6 kids that person already has ?!
    I dont think people would think any diferently if she only went for one more. The fact that she got 8 more just blew the entire thing waaaaaay out of proportion.

    You want to argue that it was the doctor's fault she ended up with 8 more ? Even if that is true the problem was there waaaaaaaaaaaaay before the doctor came into the picture.

    As for her mental state... she either is mentaly fit or shes not. Im not a psyciatrist or anything close but even if the rest of us are idiots/heartless/cold bastards , isnt that on and off thing a bit too convinient ?

    I believe that when an average person/family ( with brains ) has to think very very VERY carefully if they can raise even 1 child proprerly, then that person/family has every right to be pissed about giving even 1 cent to her.

    By the way, if she decided today to have another child what would be your opinion (assuming shes physicaly fit )?

    excuse my bad english plz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    So take the kids away and damage them for years?
    if she's unfit then you are damn right, leaving them WITH her would damage them a hell of a lot more than finding them a stable caring home with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    if she's unfit then you are damn right, leaving them WITH her would damage them a hell of a lot more than finding them a stable caring home with someone else.
    You are one of the select few with any sense of reason on these forums. This type of topic is the exact reason why I am losing/have lost faith.

    People want to fault the doctor for something? THEN FAULT HIM FOR GIVING SOMEONE WHO COULDNT AFFORD THE KIDS SHE ALREADY HAD MORE KIDS!!!

    But but love love feel good take money from the successful. For fuck sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post

    You know where some of these kids end up? In foster homes with foster parents who adopt children just so they can have bigger checks.
    And what, pray tell, do you think she's doing? She sure as hell couldnt' take care of the six she had on her own... so what does she do? she adds 8 more... who the hell do you think she was planning on having pay for them? Mickey Mouse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    if she's unfit then you are damn right, leaving them WITH her would damage them a hell of a lot more than finding them a stable caring home with someone else.
    Agreed, I'm sure growing up in a terrible environment where your source of food and income is your lone parent stripping for money is much worse than growing up in a foster home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    The moment you start having kids you cannot afford.
    Exactly. If you're a multi billionaire, go for it. If you're on the precipice of welfare? Keep your legs closed, use a rubber, take a pill, or live in a state that won't artificially inflate the cost of abortion to deture it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutnbrg View Post
    so u want to punish her children and put them in homes that are like animal shelters, instead of giving her a few thousand a month to help raise them. I dont agree with the fact of her having so many children knowing that she wouldnt be able to care for them herself, but no reason to punish her children over it. Also putting them in care of the state would actually cost taxpayers more than giving her welfare...
    The children are punished no matter what. They can either go to state care or they can live in a filthy house with a mentally unstable mother. Statecare seems like the better option.

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