http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_SulemanIn 2008, Suleman stated she had six embryos left over from her previous IVF treatments. She explained at the time that she requested that all of the remaining embryos be implanted, despite the norm for a woman her age being two or three implanted at the most. Suleman states that part of her reasoning for attempting a sixth pregnancy was so that the frozen embryos would not be destroyed. Dr. Kamrava stated recently that she insisted on all 'fresh' cycles, and in fact she still has embryos stored with Dr. Kamrava. In June 2011, during a California Medical Board investigation, it was found that Kamrava had implanted twelve embryos, which the board found to be an "extreme" departure from standard of care. After reviewing Suleman's case, in combination with three other cases, the Medical Board of California voted to revoke Kamrava's medical license, effective July 1, 2011.
Even if the doctor put in double the number she requested, it still blows my mind that she would request 6 eggs, full well knowing that each and every one of them could take. Its not that she got an 'unethical' doctor that's the issue, its that she already had -6- friggen kids and had the audacity to potentially have -6- more.
I mean 6 kids in and of itself is a financial nightmare, one ore two can be a financial nightmare. This is just insanity.
Please justify how someone who couldn't afford the 6 she already had is a loving and responsible mother Themius. If you can justify why the kids can stay we'd back off. "Because she's the mother" isn't a reasonable argument when she's clearly extremely unstable, irresponsible, and not in any position to give those kids a future.
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Infracted. Flaming isn't tolerated here
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I was, until I was 10. I am now 28, have a nice girlfriend and have a great job. I love how you think State Care is a terrible thing. Was it fair I didn't grow up with my OWN mom and dad? No, but the caretakers love you just as much another parent. She is terrible unfit and mentally unstable.Really so I assume you know many people that have been in state care?
Is state care ideal? Hell no! Is it better then staying with a mother who has proven she is not mother that makes good decisions? Yes.
And stop blaming the doctor! Jesus. Even if he only gave her 1 more kid. She could not afford it.
I never said she should stop receiving benefits however it is unethical to bring more children into the world when she is struggling financially. If you have 6 children you don't just one day go "i want moar!!" without believing they will be taken care of. She knew she couldn't take care of them so assumed other people would.How is she taking advantage? I mean if she was using the money for something else, perhaps, but that money alone is barely enough to do anything for her household cost. It does take care of the health cost though as America lacks a universal system.
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Octomom, on the other hand..... I am not so sure what to think of her at all. It seems to me she got those kids for the sole reason to become famous.
I mean, she achieved just that. Unbelievable how she can always fall back into struggles with all the financial help she got already outside of welfare.
She was on just about every tv show, hell even Oprah helped her.
There are 24 hours in a day. Most adults need at least 6 hours of sleep. How much individual time, do you think each child gets. How much 'love', 'care' and 'attention' are they getting in said household? She may 'love' them, but she isn't doing right by them at all.
You are essentially saying she shouldn't be blamed and should in fact be reimbursed by the government for this? The wiki page assuming it's validity was quite enlightening. Degrees in psych and child development, working towards a masters etc? Also that she was in fact on benefits when she first went for the treatment too (and lied about it at first but changed her voice on Today airing).
Please explain how those kids are going to grow up with any future prospects from her. Please explain how they are getting a required amount of attention from their mother there. She will not be able to afford the time or the money for over half of them.
I am personally saying the doctor isn't blameless and deserves to be taken down entirely for his negligence, but she is hardly blameless and I don't feel the kids should have to pay the price for that. State care may at least give them a chance at a future which is more than can be said for their unstable mom who will never have time for them all.
Another themius thread utterly broken as her/his argument falls apart.
How is she a good parent when was out stripping and in a porn film?
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