My girlfriend had a good friend, who's cousin had her children taken away from her, and forcibly sterilized by the state because she couldn't take care of her children. The first child was taken away, so she went and had another. The second child was taken away, and so when she went for a third, the state decided to just stop her ability to do so. Really, think of the children. The system may not be the best... but instead theyre living in a cramped house, who knows what goes on inside it, with a mother who will do things like shoot porn. Adopted children are not always messed up children, you know.
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Stop blaming the doctor! She was on welfare with 6 kids. She should not have CHOSEN to have more. End of story.
Stop looking for anyone else but her to blame.
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I don't think she should be on welfare because she already had 6 kids, and was having a difficult time paying for THEM, and decided to go and have MORE, knowing she couldn't take care of them. THEN, she decided to keep all 8 new babies instead of adopt them out (or have an abortion if she believes in that) and now the American people are forced to shell out thousands of dollars a month to subsidize her baby making.....You don't think she should get welfare,
which means you don't think her children need to eat, or need to go to the doctors, or need to go to the dentist.
What skill does she have, professional/ technical I mean, not sexual (though if that’s how she wanted to make money, whatever…as long as she’s making the money to pay so I don’t have to) to make the $100k+ a year to pay for all of her children? I’ll guarantee you that she doesn’t possess one. She wouldn’t be having financial problems if she did. Which means this “temporary” welfare bit is garbage, she’s going to be on it a while. However, I will venture and say that it’s possible that she gets a lucky break on a book/ movie deal or something similar. Stranger shit has happened.
Bottom Line for me though;
I've got nothing against her or her children. The system itself is the problem. What I have an issue with is the fact that this kind of thing sends a message to young, stupid and/or poor people (I am not calling young or poor people stupid, I’m generalizing the kinds of populations that could be taken in by this kind of message) that what they can do to get more money from the government is just have more babies which will result in even more money having to be pulled from the average tax payer. Which allows the cycle to continue and then we have areas of the country that are flooded with welfare babies and become poverty ridden.
Poverty stricken areas lead to higher crime rates and lower standards of education. Not because the people aren’t intelligent, but mostly because the schools in those areas don’t receive much money and therefore have little or no supplies to support the education of their students. Also, most of the parents are so busy trying to find work or doing other things that they can’t or won’t help their children with their homework (and some simply don’t care or can’t help because they themselves didn’t receive an education) which leads to bad grades and, in a lot of situations, a new generation of the same kind of people that caused this problem in the first place, like Octomom….
If you can't afford to provide for your own children and then expect others to do so; then you should lose custody of them.
The welfare system is meant as a temporary social safety net. i.e. a parent loses their job and needs a hand-up while they look for another one.
"I've dug myself into a bullshit hole so deep I will require tax payer funding for a decade, or else my kids will starve" <-- that's fucking child abuse.
The doctor is to blame...My girlfriend had a good friend, who's cousin had her children taken away from her, and forcibly sterilized by the state because she couldn't take care of her children.
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EDIT: I mean she was only 'off' of it while she had some contract for some shitty exploitative reality tv show. I don't, and no regular human being should realize the circumstances by which she was 'off' as being legitimate.
The BIG Problem with the Social Security system in the USA, and every other country who has a similar, or adopted system in place is due to the fact of the decline of birth rates. These systems lived off the basis that more people paying into it, than there are people who take out of it. Despite the highly unstable times world wide, the western world hasn't faced another large war in quite some time. WW2 is almost 68 years in the past. Means, there are no casualties through these means.
People don't die so soon anymore either. So more and more people become eligible to tap into that fund, and even longer than ever before.
The only way to sustain it would be an increase of birth. A significant increase even.
More children results into more workers, results into more tax payers, results into replenishment of Social security...
Sarcastically speaking now.... Don't forget that.... But the mechanics are actually the reality.
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As horrible of an analogy as it is... It's like spaying a dog, or a cat. It's their biological imperative to breed, even though there's an overpopulation crisis going on with animals. So, as their caretaker, you have to stop them from having more.[COLOR="red"]
Last edited by GarranLB; 2013-01-08 at 04:45 PM.
If people are so offended that mothers are on welfare, they should stop harping on abortion and how "evil" it is.
Last edited by Purlina; 2013-01-08 at 04:49 PM.
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It doesnt matter if we pay for additional welfare, pay for her abortions or take the children away. In every case, she is being rewarded for getting pregnant. There is no disincentive for not getting pregnant.
What we have in this country is a severe lack of responsibility across all issues and demographics. What government has become is a safety net program for those who fail to take responsibility and the bigger we make this net the more who are willingly going to get "caught" in it.