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So again You're telling me WE should foot the bill because she was dumb enough to have that many kids? Having 6 kids alone is way to much money per year that she couldn't afford, so the only logical thing is to try and add 2 more on! Yep that makes so much sense I'm sorry the government needs to step in and give the kids to relatives or foster homes and put her ass in jail until she pays back all the money she got from us. She OBVIOUSLY doesn't give a crap about being able to provide for the kids otherwise she would have never had 6 kids let alone 14!!!! That is just plain FACTS and simple LOGIC that everyone should have. Can't provide for the 6 you have DON'T HAVE ANYMORE!!! Don't agree I don't care because I sure as hell know as a taxpayer I should have a say so in this one.
First the cold logic approach: take the children from her since she seems to be mentally unstable. Place the children into foster care. Forcefully restrain her into custody and cut her tubes so that she can never have children again.
Now the approach with a little more emotion: urge her to get her tubes cut, and start a donations program so that she can feed her children.
Personally I see this woman had many chances so I would go with the first option.
Last edited by sandmoth12; 2013-01-08 at 08:35 PM.
I think what I find most amusing about this entire thread is that Themius keeps saying, "She was pro-life, she had to implant those embryos or they'd be destroyed!"
But that's not true at all. First, she apparently told the doctor she wanted fresh embryos, not the ones already in storage. He implanted 6 fresh embryos AND the 6 frozen ones, from what I can tell. Second, does no one understand that you can donate those embryos? Yeah, you can. You can donate them to other people who want to have children but are unable to conceive. There's no reason that the embryos have to be destroyed. She could have even paid to have them stored indefinitely.
So saying "she was pro-life so she HAD to get them implanted" is a cop-out at best, and downright ridiculous.
This conversation is ridiculous. When does personal responsibility kick in?
The woman had six children, as a single mother that is a very taxing thing. Pro-life or not, she's a mother, your responsibility is no longer to yourself and your values, it's to your children. It no longer matters what you want, it matters what is good for them. Regardless of the fact the doctor put in more than she wished, she wanted him to implant six, which gave her the very real possibility that all of them would take. Even if half did, that is still three, pushing her to nine. Additional children tax income and take away from what your current children have. There was no need for that, with each one added, their lives get worse individually. They could have been donated to women in need.
She was selfishly looking after her own interests instead of what was good for her current children, to me, that's the sign of a poor mother. I don't care she did porn, had nudes of herself made for money. You do what you need to do for your kids. She just made that distinction way too late, and now the rest of the people have to pay for it.
Fiscal responsibility is the part of a parent. It's part of what makes a -good- parent, providing for your children. Purposefully trying to have more when you know you can't afford it is living beyond your means.
Someone losing a job, having a crisis, going from healthy to sick... those are reasons you need help. Being irresponsible? That's on you.
Kids are really fucking expensive. Having kids is a very serious decision. People should not have kids unless they can support themselves and their children through rough economic times like today.
Last edited by Roose; 2013-01-08 at 08:18 PM.
1. She had six children that she was struggling, at best, to care for financially. As I recall she was already on assistance at this point.
2. Knowing her current circumstances SHE decided that SHE wanted more children.
3. Now she needs more assistance.
I don't see any sort of mystery here. There was nothing that was unforseen. She couldn't afford to care for six and she decided to have more.
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Your point about going from zero to 8 is moot because the doctor in either case does not care how many children you already have.
Coming from the abusive-as-fuck home I grew up in, I'll tell you straight up: The homes I stayed in felt like vacations compared to my house. I'll bet 9 or 10 of those kids feel the same. Every one of them, by 13, would likely trade damn near anything just for some anonymity.
I sleep easier knowing that partisan politics, pettiness, and gamesmanship are the current defenders of my freedom... It's when I need political courage that I worry.
My nephew and his GF did this..she had 2 kids from her ex, and they had another ..for more money from the government..they refuse to get married as they would have to add his income to hers...hers alone (which now that i think about it, i don't think she works)... is what keeps her on it.