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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    With all that defining proof, who could argue?..

    Im not saying shes in the right, im saying let it go, and stop bullying 14 children and their mother, its pathetic. If I were her ide be kicking the shit out of the papparazi that were snapping photos of her family, its complete harrassment.
    I really dont care how many kids someone has. It is one thing to have 14-15-20 kids and raise them on your own. It is another to have them when you clearly cant afford them and ask/demand for society to help. Here is a question only she could answer but will throw out there anyways. Would she still have 14 kids if she was not provided further welfare support?

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-08 at 01:45 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    I agree, if she is doing something wrong let child welfare handle it. Otherwise leave her alone....
    Live and let live huh? How do you feel about assault rifles and gun ownership?

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    Live and let live huh? How do you feel about assault rifles and gun ownership?

    Show me where she has done something illegal / wrong. Does she plan on using the children to kill people?


    LOL

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Show me where she has done something illegal / wrong.
    While not illegal, she spent money she didn't have on IVF to have more kids when she could not afford the ones she had. She then held out her hand to the government for money.

    If that's not 'wrong' I don't know what is. It essentially represents everything Conservatives hate about our social services programs.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...celebrity&ncid

    the comments really got me thinking. What the fuck is it with people? Because she gets something like $4,000 people are saying "see this is why there needs to be a welfare overhaul!"

    She was on welfare, got off welfare, but as raising 14 kids is quite expensive, got back on it as she doesn't make enough money.
    She wasn't making enough money when she had six kids. So she did the logical thing and had eight more.

    Sorry but this is where that "personal responsibility" thing kicks in. If you cant afford to take care of six kids then you should not knowingly go out and get pregnant again.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Show me where she has done something illegal / wrong. Does she plan on using the children to kill people?


    LOL

    Owning an assault rifle is not illegal, owning a semi automatic weapon is not illegal and if I plan on using a gun for legal purposes only why does it matter?

    Your argument is invalid.

    She is using finite funds that other deserving people could use, wouldnt that be wrong?
    Last edited by petej0; 2013-01-08 at 06:54 PM.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    She is using finite funds that other deserving people could use, wouldnt that be wrong?
    So are all people on welfare..?

    What would you have her do, give the kids up for adoption / put them in a foster home? That still costs the government money....
    Last edited by Purlina; 2013-01-08 at 06:57 PM.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    So are all people on welfare..?

    What would you have her do, give the kids up for adoption? You think that's free?
    We're not talking about other people. We're talking about her. The reason she is on welfare is a direct result of her choice to get pregnant when she already had tight finances.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    We're not talking about other people. We're talking about her. The reason she is on welfare is a direct result of her choice to get pregnant when she already had tight finances.

    Yes, and what is the magical "free" solution that costs us no money?

    We can't turn back the clock, the kids already exist.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Yes, and what is the maigical "free" solution that costs us no money?

    We can't turn back the clock, the kids already exist.
    Take them away. She's unfit and she has demonstrated that.

    In the future, benefits should not be increased if recipients choose to give birth. Birth control is widely available if people want to bump uglies. There really is no excuse anymore.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Take them away. She's unfit and she has demonstrated that.

    In the future, benefits should not be increased if recipients choose to give birth.
    Take them away and who provides them with care? The taxpayers still pay for the childrens support, that doesn't change.

    If she is an unfit mother then child services should deal with it.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Take them away and who provides them with care? Still the taxpayers, that doesn't change. If she is unfit then child services should deal with it.
    Indeed, but at least we can take steps in an attempt to prevent this cycle of idiocy from continuing. I don't fucking care about helping people down on their luck, in fact I take solace in it. It's those that are in poverty as a direct result of their own idiotic chooses that field not even an ounce of sympathy from me.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    So are all people on welfare..?
    Yes, but if she is benefiting more because she keeps having children then wouldnt that be wrong? It would mean other families would get less or we raise taxes to keep the same level of benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    What would you have her do, give the kids up for adoption? You think that's free?
    Think about it, if the 8 babies were adopted by 8 families (or 4 families that take two each) that could afford to raise them and not require welfare it would be cheaper in the long run, no?

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post


    Think about it, if the 8 babies were adopted by 8 families (or 4 families that take two each) that could afford to raise them and not require welfare it would be cheaper in the long run, no?

    There are a finite amount of children being adopted each year.

    That would only save us money if:


    The amount of children being adopted = The amount of children up for adoption. (Which is not the case.)
    Last edited by Purlina; 2013-01-08 at 07:07 PM.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    She's pro-life and the embryos would have been destroyed, which she didn't want.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-08 at 11:01 AM ----------



    Really so I assume you know many people that have been in state care?
    I'm sorry, come again?

    Pro-life, anti-abortion, fine. It's her belief and she's free to believe that, rest of us doesn't have to pay the price for her irresponsibility.
    She already had 6 kids, it's already an overwhelming number of kids for a single mom. It doesn't matter if her doc screwed it up for her, his license got revoked he deserved it, done. She STILL MADE her choice and she's basically leaving the consequence for rest of citizens to deal for her.

    There are many unfortunate things happen in life we can't control and need help to get through, which is what government welfare system is intended to do, to help these people get back on feet. Her situation is not one of them.

    RIDICULOUS
    Last edited by Elenion; 2013-01-08 at 07:15 PM.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    There are a finite amount of children being adopted each year.

    That would only save us money if:

    The amount of children being adopted > The amount of children up for adoption. (Which is not the case.)

    How can you reach a point where the number of adopted children is greater then the number of children up for adoption?

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    How can you reach a point where the number of adopted children is greater then the number of children up for adoption?
    I fixed that, but the point still stands. We would not save any money if her children where put up for adoption.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Twotonsteak View Post
    She wasn't making enough money when she had six kids. So she did the logical thing and had eight more.

    Sorry but this is where that "personal responsibility" thing kicks in. If you cant afford to take care of six kids then you should not knowingly go out and get pregnant again.
    And her doctor who lied and implanted more embryos who clearly didn't question her actions is at fault as well.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    I fixed that, but the point still stands. We would not save any money if her children where put up for adoption.
    You cant know that. Even if one family takes in one of her babies instead of adopting overseas it has saved tax payers money. Besides, how much is a child growing up in a loving caring family that is able to provide for the childs every need worth? What is the chance that any one of these 8 grow up to be on the wrong side of the law growing up with mom struggling to feed and cloth them as compared with loving couples who adopted them and can provide for them?

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-08 at 02:27 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    And her doctor who lied and implanted more embryos who clearly didn't question her actions is at fault as well.
    That isnt her doctors business. Go to any fertility specialist and not a single one will question you about it.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    You cant know that. Even if one family takes in one of her babies instead of adopting overseas it has saved tax payers money.


    And that family could have just adopted another kid. There is no shortage of kids to adopt...


    People adopt overseas because of the red tape / legal processes they want to avoid.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    And that family could have just adopted another kid.
    You missed my point. Doesnt matter, live and let live as long as you live by my rules right?

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